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Forum III Archive # 47

From: May 12, 1999

To: May 23, 1999

Page: 2 Of: 5



ZAC -:- Maybe one more post -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 19:02:18 (EDT)
__Glibman -:- Maybe one more post -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 19:54:21 (EDT)
__Gail -:- Maybe no more halls -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 21:05:49 (EDT)
____Anon -:- No More Halls. -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 04:36:30 (EDT)
______Marshall -:- No More Halls. -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 06:02:33 (EDT)
________Anon -:- No More Halls. -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 12:53:13 (EDT)
__________Jean-Michel -:- Deep underground -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 13:02:21 (EDT)
____________KB -:- You are underestimating him -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 13:25:57 (EDT)
______________Anon -:- You are underestimating him -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:53:42 (EDT)
______________Jon -:- feeding it -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 18:14:35 (EDT)
________________Jean-Michel -:- difference with a cult -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 03:12:16 (EDT)
__________________barney -:- can you imagine monitoring us? -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 03:38:33 (EDT)
__________________Jon -:- difference with a cult -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 03:58:57 (EDT)
____________________Jean-Michel -:- So what's the problem? -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 06:20:24 (EDT)
____________________Zac -:- difference with a cult -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:05:11 (EDT)
________________KB -:- feeding it -:- Sun, May 23, 1999 at 12:20:38 (EDT)
________Liz -:- Isolating unfriendliness -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:10:03 (EDT)
__________Gail -:- It swings back and forth -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:33:36 (EDT)
____________Roger E. Drek -:- soon to be ***Best*** -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:43:02 (EDT)
____________Anon -:- It swings back and forth -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 15:34:36 (EDT)
__________Zac -:- Isolating unfriendliness -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 19:04:34 (EDT)
______Zac -:- No More Halls. -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 08:01:05 (EDT)
______Roger Dirty Drek -:- No More Halls. -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 13:24:03 (EDT)
________Ian -:- No More Halls. -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:17:14 (EDT)
__________Gail -:- Squeal, Ian. I'll bet you've -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:21:32 (EDT)
____________Ian -:- Squeal, Ian. I'll bet you've -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:29:22 (EDT)
______________Ian -:- correction -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:35:36 (EDT)
__________Roger Deliverance Drek -:- you have a pretty mouth (nt) -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 17:04:27 (EDT)
____________Ian -:- ? sorry, don't swing that way -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 17:18:45 (EDT)
______Liz -:- You MUST socialize!! -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:04:50 (EDT)
________Gail -:- You MUST socialize!! -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:37:54 (EDT)
__________barney -:- anti-social example -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:52:09 (EDT)
____________Diz -:- anti-social example -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 19:59:33 (EDT)
______________Diz -:- PS Barney -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 20:27:25 (EDT)
________________Zac -:- Best of something -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 21:29:31 (EDT)
__________________barney -:- Invasion of the Body Snatchers -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 21:58:52 (EDT)
__________________Liz -:- Definately 'best' -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 01:11:32 (EDT)
____________________Roger E. Drek -:- which parts? -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 02:15:35 (EDT)
______________________Liz -:- Zac's posts (2) -:- Sat, May 22, 1999 at 00:37:49 (EDT)
____________________Zac -:- Whole new service opportunity -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:21:49 (EDT)
________________barney -:- no problem, here's the problem -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 21:48:42 (EDT)
________________D_Thomas -:- I resemble that remark! -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:43:33 (EDT)
__________________Diz -:- I resemble that remark! -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 19:52:02 (EDT)
______Catweasel -:- No More Balls,LIAR -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 03:33:55 (EDT)
________Zac -:- Wrong Again Catweasel -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 08:58:05 (EDT)
__________Catweasel -:- Zac the Fascist.Zieg Heil -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:36:47 (EDT)
____________Mike -:- Wrong -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 13:57:50 (EDT)
______________Catweasel -:- Wrong -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:07:27 (EDT)
____________Zac -:- Your a joke -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 21:33:40 (EDT)
________Gail -:- Cult meetings are not public -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:46:41 (EDT)
__________Catweasel -:- The only cult is in your mind -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:59:25 (EDT)
____________Gail -:- WAGER FOR CATWEASEL -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:15:48 (EDT)
______________Gail -:- Calling CATWEASEL -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:52:25 (EDT)
________________Catweasel -:- Balling CATWEASEL?Gail!!! -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:21:29 (EDT)
______________Catweasel -:- LAGER FOR CATWEASEL? -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:13:37 (EDT)
____________Mike -:- Why don't you follow your -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 17:38:32 (EDT)
______________Catweasel -:- Why don't you follow your -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:23:39 (EDT)
________Anon -:- No More Balls,LIAR -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:38:32 (EDT)
__________Anon -:- Correction -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:51:15 (EDT)
____________Gail -:- You are right, Anon. -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:55:38 (EDT)
____________Anon -:- TO CATWEASEL -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 11:02:49 (EDT)
______________Catweasal -:- TO CATWEASEL -:- Sat, May 22, 1999 at 11:22:53 (EDT)
________________Gail -:- TO CATWEASEL -:- Sat, May 22, 1999 at 12:14:31 (EDT)
__________________Catweasel -:- TO CATWEASEL -:- Sat, May 22, 1999 at 23:17:14 (EDT)
____________________Jim -:- With all due respect -:- Sun, May 23, 1999 at 00:46:17 (EDT)
______________________Catweasel -:- Its so Predictable -:- Sun, May 23, 1999 at 05:07:40 (EDT)
________________________Gail -:- Are ex-premies free? -:- Sun, May 23, 1999 at 08:05:01 (EDT)
__________________________Catweasel -:- Are premies free?Yes -:- Sun, May 23, 1999 at 10:25:32 (EDT)
____________________________Gail MacDougall -:- Aw, Catweasel -:- Sun, May 23, 1999 at 10:45:12 (EDT)
____________Catweasel -:- Correction -:- Sat, May 22, 1999 at 11:16:43 (EDT)
__________Catweasel -:- No More Brains,Mr Nobody? -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:30:03 (EDT)

Maharaji -:- You whiners -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 10:53:32 (EDT)
__Mike -:- Your goon-ship -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 12:47:02 (EDT)
____Maharaji -:- Look, maggot -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 13:40:08 (EDT)
______Durga Ji -:- Dear Mike -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 14:08:01 (EDT)
________Maharaji -:- Durga Ji!!! -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 16:47:35 (EDT)
______Mike -:- Look, maginot -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 14:38:22 (EDT)
________Maharaji -:- Look, maginot -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 16:50:40 (EDT)
__________Mike -:- You do have a disorder -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 17:13:34 (EDT)
____________Roger E. Drek -:- ***Best*** All of it! -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 01:00:31 (EDT)
______________Helen -:- ***Best*** All of it! -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 11:48:18 (EDT)
________________Helen -:- who was Durga Ji -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 11:52:26 (EDT)
__________________Gail -:- I confess--I was Durga Ji (nt) -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 21:19:02 (EDT)
________________Roger E. Drek -:- I thought so! Good job! (nt) -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 12:48:23 (EDT)
________________Mike -:- ***Best*** All of it! -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 14:29:37 (EDT)
__________________Helen -:- ***Best*** All of it! -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:46:07 (EDT)

KB -:- divinity update -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 02:40:23 (EDT)
__AJW -:- Same as it ever was. -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 05:04:26 (EDT)
__Passing Thru -:- KB update -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:01:38 (EDT)
____nigel -:- Splitting hairs -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:27:04 (EDT)
____KB -:- KB update -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:35:31 (EDT)
____G's mom -:- Prehistoric flute tooting blue -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 10:28:09 (EDT)
____AJW -:- KB update -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 04:01:37 (EDT)

Gail -:- Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 00:18:58 (EDT)
__Gail -:- Ratting out the cult -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 00:26:17 (EDT)
____Sid Nigh -:- Ratting out the cult -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:15:55 (EDT)
______Nim -:- You're in De Nigh al (nt) -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:28:50 (EDT)
______ratting -:- That would be Steven?-NT -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:41:30 (EDT)
______Gail -:- Sid Nigh--please read (long) -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 11:02:22 (EDT)
________Helen -:- Gail -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 12:17:04 (EDT)
______Robyn -:- Ratting out the cult -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 18:11:49 (EDT)
______Mary -:- Ratting out the cult -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 17:14:29 (EDT)
________Catweasel -:- Pussy goes Mousing -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:44:37 (EDT)
____Nil -:- Ratting out the cult -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 18:50:49 (EDT)
______barney -:- CHEAP SHOT! -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 20:57:07 (EDT)
________Nil -:- Don't lecture me barney! -:- Sat, May 22, 1999 at 20:08:18 (EDT)
______Gail -:- Actually, Nil, I doing great! -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 21:29:11 (EDT)
________Catweasel -:- Actually, Its the same! -:- Sat, May 22, 1999 at 11:34:26 (EDT)
__________gAIL -:- Actually, it's free--for a -:- Sat, May 22, 1999 at 12:58:17 (EDT)
____________barney -:- Maharaji should pay! -:- Sat, May 22, 1999 at 16:33:57 (EDT)
______________Gail -:- Maharaji should pay! -:- Sat, May 22, 1999 at 17:39:42 (EDT)
______________Nil -:- Maharaji should pay! -:- Sat, May 22, 1999 at 20:37:50 (EDT)
______Catweasel -:- Ratting out the cult -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:41:13 (EDT)
______Catweasel -:- Ratting out the cult -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:44:25 (EDT)
__Shp -:- Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 00:27:28 (EDT)
____Gail -:- The Doodoo list -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 00:54:35 (EDT)
______Shp -:- The Doodoo list -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 01:00:35 (EDT)
________Gail -:- Invite from EV (nt) -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:34:06 (EDT)
________Sid Nigh -:- The Doodoo list -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:50:30 (EDT)
______Catweasel -:- The Oh NO!!!! LIST -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:22:09 (EDT)
________Nim -:- I just knew it... -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:43:24 (EDT)
____Mary M -:- Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 17:26:53 (EDT)
______Catweasel -:- Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 04:20:58 (EDT)
__Sir Dave -:- Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:04:49 (EDT)
____Darth Vader -:- Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:25:57 (EDT)
__Mary M -:- Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 10:55:19 (EDT)
____Gail -:- I already tried that! -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:19:18 (EDT)
______Roger E. Drek -:- $$$ to send Gail to Miami -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 15:27:15 (EDT)
________Nim -:- Sizzle Artist -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 04:46:36 (EDT)
______Mary M -:- I already tried that! -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:47:54 (EDT)
__nemesis -:- Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 01:15:48 (EDT)
____Nim -:- Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 04:33:15 (EDT)
______nemesis -:- Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig -:- Sat, May 22, 1999 at 20:09:22 (EDT)

Jean-Michel -:- Missing Pictures now online -:- Tues, May 18, 1999 at 10:37:04 (EDT)
__JW -:- Well, Done -:- Tues, May 18, 1999 at 12:01:14 (EDT)
____Jean-Michel -:- Thank you -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 03:31:19 (EDT)

Jerry -:- Funny Shit -:- Tues, May 18, 1999 at 09:11:06 (EDT)
__Runamok -:- Funny Shit -:- Tues, May 18, 1999 at 17:57:46 (EDT)

BILL -:- SERVICE AND ALL THAT! -:- Tues, May 18, 1999 at 09:08:29 (EDT)
__Jean-Michel -:- Gullibility? -:- Tues, May 18, 1999 at 09:42:25 (EDT)
____BILL -:- Gullibility? -:- Tues, May 18, 1999 at 11:44:50 (EDT)
______Jean-Michel -:- ... and denial -:- Tues, May 18, 1999 at 12:20:08 (EDT)
________KB -:- ... and denial -:- Tues, May 18, 1999 at 17:27:08 (EDT)
__________Gail -:- Lord recognition by chosen few -:- Tues, May 18, 1999 at 21:17:45 (EDT)
__Diz -:- SERVICE AND ALL THAT! -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 00:45:20 (EDT)
____BILL -:- SERVICE AND ALL THAT! -:- Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:19:16 (EDT)
____KB -:- SERVICE AND ALL THAT! -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 09:28:04 (EDT)
______Inquirer -:- Hey, Bill. Has Navlata's DNA -:- Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:18:34 (EDT)
________KB -:- We still need a hair sample! -:- Fri, May 21, 1999 at 23:30:52 (EDT)

AJW -:- To Happy -:- Tues, May 18, 1999 at 08:21:48 (EDT)


Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 19:02:18 (EDT)
From: ZAC
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Maybe one more post
Message:
So Raja Ji comes to a meeting and say's (paraphrased). You guys have your halls and your nightly meetings (like the premies rented these halls and did this on their own) but don't get too attached to this cause everything could change. We might not have halls in a little while. A hand goes up from the back. 'Raja Ji I just signed a two year lease.'(In his own name no doubt that's how these things are done.) Raja's reponse, 'Don't worry about these things. Everything will be fine(By Maharaji's grace I guess cause this guy is legally responsible).

Is this vintage or what? Bend over for that pranam a little further premies.
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 19:54:21 (EDT)
From: Glibman
Email: None
To: ZAC
Subject: Maybe one more post
Message:
Zac, can you email me. I have a question with regards to Jim. He obviously knows how to use language being a lawyer, if he truly is. And since my brother-in-law is a very 'high powered' lawyer, as you know, I'm very comfortable dealing with my brother-in-law's exceptional talent with language use and the implications that folow from the statements one uses in using language. Being a mathematician(maybe just good at mathematics), I have to understand how language works as well, as you certainly know. I want to stay out of the fray as I really don't deserve the 'honor' of being a part of this group. But being connected to others who are connected to M. still makes me curious(the child in me). Hope this doesn't cause problems with Jim and you, but I suspect he has some respect for you given your strong position on M. Luv ya, Glibman
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 21:05:49 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: ZAC
Subject: Maybe no more halls
Message:
There are only five people left here in London. If they didn't get the hall free from the Dr., they probably couldn't afford to carry on.

Probably Guru Margarine would like everyone to buy their own tapes. More money from him and much more underground. Jeez, he's burying himself.

Thanks for the info, Zac.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 04:36:30 (EDT)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: No More Halls.
Message:
Rumor has it that all the halls will be done away with here in the U.S. by next year. PWK are encouraged to watch videos at home and have 'events' with their friends in their homes. When Raja Ji came to our community he said Maharaji was going to make some major changes, and the money currently going to local halls can be spent on M's projects. Less local expenses. Alot of stuff is going to be done through the mail. Buying videos, M's event schedules, etc.

It appears M is not going to have any halls in the west, only Amaroo, South America and India will have permanent halls. M wants to down size the whole operation. I don't know how new people will receive K. Local communities are getting names on a standby list for 'participation' at programs and community coordinators are developing phone databases.

The word is out that PWK should be more sociable, visit and watch videos at each others homes, talk to each other more and get to know each other, be more supportive,etc.

So it seems there's another big wave of changes coming, like the one's that happened in the early 1980's when M closed the ashrams, etc.

Makes it alot harder for people who are'nt involved to find out what's going on, unless you know a PWK who is involved and goes to other PWK's homes to watch videos, etc.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 06:02:33 (EDT)
From: Marshall
Email: None
To: Anon
Subject: No More Halls.
Message:
Hmmm, this is very interesting.
Apparently The Rawatt Clan is making a calculated attempt to get propagation back on track, and wring more money out of the old timers at the same time.
It's actually a good plan since all the money that the local communities spend on venues, etc was just going down the toilet anyway. Much better to send all that money down the golden toilet instead.
The original plan with the 'video showings' was to make the trip seem respectable and 'almost' normal, even. But the sterility and isolating unfriendliness of these video events is backfiring and causing disinterest in potential new recruits.
By making it more fun and 'social', and personalizing it by having it in family homes, they hope to make it more attractive to lonely or disenfranchised people seeking 'community'.
Phase two begins! (shudder)
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 12:53:13 (EDT)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: No More Halls.
Message:
If this actually happens, it'll also be a sort of weeding out process. Because people will go to other people's homes by invitation only. It probably won't be open door like the ashrams and halls were.

If you lose touch with the PAM's you may be considered an outsider and I'm sure certain PWK won't be invited to some people's homes. Last summer the Denver/Boulder community had a get together in the mountains, you had to buy a ticket to attend and only certain PWK knew about it or were invited. There was booze and music, dancing. A party. The money from this party went into the local community. I think there'll be more things like that to raise money for M's projects and so people can be more sociable. I agree with Zac that M and PAM's are responding to all the chat about them on this X-site and elsewhere. It appears to me that they're all going underground, less visible.

Remember in the 1970's everything was visible; posters of Maharaji everywhere, ashrams, community centers. M in the newspaper and on T.V. talk shows, Holi in the Orange Bowl, a program in the Super-Dome, etc. All that has already changed and I think it's going to change even more. They're going to be extremely low key, especially in the west. Going deep underground. Malibu Mole for sure.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 13:02:21 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Anon
Subject: Deep underground
Message:
EV was ALREADY invisible and underground. And the BM's lost followers by spades.

Deeper underground, and the cult is virtually dead. Some die-hard will stay, the rest will get scattered in the various new-age businesses, like quite some premies I know....
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 13:25:57 (EDT)
From: KB
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: You are underestimating him
Message:
He has a plan or will.
It will be a fresh start and he has all the video footage
and can come around marketing himself differently again.

I am sure enjoyinglife has a limited life span and it would
be wise to download enough of the crap to disk so we can recreate
it when he pulls the plug on it.

He is not done.
He is too driven and his 'proud' ego and the success he has
had in the past manipulating people is too intoxicating to
give up.

He is too young and has the whole remnant of shp types
to do something with.

If we get a severe economic disruption courtesy of y2k and
terrorist actions, and the natural course of usual
up and downturns economically, he has a larger potential
pool of victims.

In addition, the ethnic and religious tensions are perfect
irritants to get people to embrace some breath dogma
that is 'the truth inside' and come see 'who you really are'
marketing.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:53:42 (EDT)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: KB
Subject: You are underestimating him
Message:
I agree, don't underestimate Rawat. Good and Bad aside, he has done things you or I could'nt do if we wanted to. Get people to buy you cars, airplanes, houses, etc. and worship you as a living God. He'll always have some followers.

Scientology is still going strong and L. Ron Hubbard died a while back. They also have a bunch of pro and anti websites. David Koresh died in the Waco incident and people are still joining the Branch Dividians (sp), people are still joining Jim Jones's Temple even after he killed (mass suicide) more than 300.

Maharaji's followers will worship him,watch his videos,and practice knowledge long after Prempal Rawat is dead and gone.Shri Hans (M's dad) still has loyal devotees in India. I believe some die-hard followers would worship Rawat even if he said don't worship me. Even if he quite doing programs some fanatics would still worship him. There's alot of people out there looking for someone to take charge of their lives. These people consider themselves the weary and the weak and they're looking for a savior. They just shudder at the thought of having to go at it alone.

Don't underestimate Rawat. He may go deeper underground but he's not going to go away, even if he physically goes away, tens of thousands of his videos will still be out there.

Now, I am not a Rawat fan but, I think he's made his mark in some small way.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 18:14:35 (EDT)
From: Jon
Email: None
To: KB
Subject: feeding it
Message:
He could also have a premie infiltrate the ex-premie forum, as an active participant, a sleeper, for insurance of any future 'secret' activities. No?
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 03:12:16 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jon
Subject: difference with a cult
Message:
There are NO secret activities here!

This is typically what cult and ex-cult members tend to think (I still do it at times).

What anybody does is HIS OWN private business! This is how this world works (except for totalitarian systems) ..... does this ring any bell for you?

Fuck with the Raw rats...
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 03:38:33 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: can you imagine monitoring us?
Message:
I agree with Jean-Michel that not a whole lot is secret here. We pretty much telegraph every thing ahead of time.

The secret plan is to keep posting what we feel and what we Know.

Oh, sure, we think that they have monitors reading us as a service, but what a job that must be. Probably need to be paid combat pay. Probably have an entire team of them doing one or two hour shifts and then take a break and watch two hours of videos and the Long Beach Highlights video. Then they do an hour (strict 15 minutes per technique) of meditation/practice and then another hour of introductory videos. And finally, for one hour they clean a mock up of Maharaji's golden toilet with a toothbrush. And, that's it. They're done for the week.

Without such protective measures Maharaji would lose these people to the reality of the truth.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 03:58:57 (EDT)
From: Jon
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: difference with a cult
Message:
but did you see the subject title 'feeding it' if I was really fucking with you I would sneak it in as a question. oh my, my brothers could this happen? a little better though
ringgg
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 06:20:24 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jon
Subject: So what's the problem?
Message:
You (or anybody else) may try to do anything you want with me, or anybody else, like anywhere in the world.

I'm big enough to do what I like with anybody I like, don't you think so? I need no security or 'special' usher to care for me!

I don't go anymore in the cult's games myself. People do this, in a cult or anywhere else ... regular deceit.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:05:11 (EDT)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Jon
Subject: difference with a cult
Message:
It matters not if there was a plant in here. In fact for many of the newly freed from the cult including myself there is an insidious plant in their brains that is the residue of 20-30 years of involvement. It doesn't go away overnight and it is more difficult to deal with than any outside plant could ever be.

Bring on the premie plants. It'll keep this forum lively and keep our wits sharp.
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Date: Sun, May 23, 1999 at 12:20:38 (EDT)
From: KB
Email: None
To: Jon
Subject: feeding it
Message:
Well, frankly Jon, I was a premie when I got here, then I
changed but I made a play to take over the website when it
changed hands and the premie in me at the time was making
a stab at sabatoge. So, he need not hire out the job
because the result of the programming makes someone
devious naturally.

I am safe now but zealotry will make you kill someone if
it can.
Ask Steven, he has had those thoughts.
Mili also went through a Croatian idea of 'kill the enemy'
also.
Bruce/catweasel also has been ready to kill.
If only it was a push button away you can be sure it would have
happened.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:10:03 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: Marshall
Subject: Isolating unfriendliness
Message:
What about 'all the distractions of a persons family home?' This was the 'reasoning' behind renting halls. Anything m says can be twisted to become 'right' by 'unthinking' premies.

Today I feel really sick.

Liz
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:33:36 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Liz
Subject: It swings back and forth
Message:
I once told a dirty joke to a new person at the hall. I used to like to use the time before the video to catch up on news, etc. The queen bee, Lynn Devine, was quick to admonish me. Even though the stranger came back. This other woman preferred it totally quiet so she could centre herself beforehand.

Remember when MJ told us not to gossip. Each person was to phone to find out where the events with him were. I called Lynn Devine to tell her about a program. She flipped that I had ruined her experience of finding out for herself. Next time, no one told her. She nearly missed the thing and had to pay top dollar for her plane ticket.

I kept asking her, 'Why do things keep changing? Why all the push for money? Why do we have to send this video back? etc. etc.' Her was always the same. 'This is what Maharaji wants.'
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:43:02 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: soon to be ***Best***
Message:
Wow! Other than spelling center as centre that was a poignant example of just how strange the premie kingdom is.

And, uh, if we were still premies we would supposed to socialize more with people like that?

Ms. Devine, would you like to come into my parlor and watch a video with me?
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 15:34:36 (EDT)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: It swings back and forth
Message:
It does swing back and forth; I remember back in the seventies we were told not to subsitute the audio taped satsangs with actually attending satsang, audio tapes were considered not to be a subsitute, and M gave lots of discourses on this. Never delay in attending satsang,etc. Now all they have are taped (satsang) discourses.

M said that the internet was the worst form of communication, he made fun of http//: in one of his talks, now he has a website.

Things he finds bad he twists, once they become useful, to sound acceptable. Rawat manipulates words to his advantage and the sad thing is his followers only hear what they want to hear. It's like to the die-hard followers Rawat can do no wrong.

M will probably always have a following, especially with all the bullshit going on in the world today, another school shooting today, etc. I hope I don't become callouse, these school shootings and attempted shootings are popping up everywhere in the U.S.

Remember Rawat's curtain call: when the darkness in the world becomes strong then the Perfect Master appears, or something like that. He feeds on people's pain and suffering, and sadly people will go to him for answers, just like we did. There is a whole untapped population of people out there in the world who have never heard of Maharaji or Premies and they are just ripe for Rawat's pickings. With his new and improved Phase II.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 19:04:34 (EDT)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Liz
Subject: Isolating unfriendliness
Message:
Yeah Liz You went to the hall to get away from the family and the business, 'like a pub' I believe he said. If only the satsang hall could be converted to a pub after the video. The bar comes down. The cards come out the pool table is moved to the center of the hall and we're in business. I'd put Drek behind the bar. Jim would have a pool cue in his hand and I'd get slobbering drunk. A good time had by all. What was the guru's name they'd ask?
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 08:01:05 (EDT)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Anon
Subject: No More Halls.
Message:
I think somebody is reading the X forum and learning from the posts here. In fact I think the X forum has everything to do with the major changes taking place. It's the first time Maharji has been exposed to what his followers and ex-followers really think.

This great service should be worth front row seats, airfare included, invitation to his parties and a least one ride in the Gulfstream not to mention a percentage of the profits if it succeeds. No?-)
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 13:24:03 (EDT)
From: Roger Dirty Drek
Email: None
To: Anon
Subject: No More Halls.
Message:
Oh, boy!

The only television and video player that I have is in my dungeon room where I have all of that special workout equipment. I can't imagine inviting my premie friends to watch videos in there, although I wouldn't mind strapping some of them in and testing their faith and seeing whether their god forsakes them or not.

Squeal, squeal like a pig. Squeeeeeeal!
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:17:14 (EDT)
From: Ian
Email: None
To: Roger Dirty Drek
Subject: No More Halls.
Message:
Oh, boy!

The only television and video player that I have is in my dungeon room where I have all of that special workout equipment. I can't imagine inviting my premie friends to watch videos in there, although I wouldn't mind strapping some of them in and testing their faith and seeing whether their forsakes them or not.

Squeal, squeal like a pig. Squeeeeeeal!


idiot
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:21:32 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Ian
Subject: Squeal, Ian. I'll bet you've
Message:
sobbed your heart out and squealed before, too. At least you've seen it. Total wild abandonment--the only payoff of being in a cult. Oink Oink!
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:29:22 (EDT)
From: Ian
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Squeal, Ian. I'll bet you've
Message:
sobbed your heart out and squealed before, too. At least you've seen it. Total wild abandonment--the only payoff of being in a cult. Oink Oink!

no but, each to to his/her own
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:35:36 (EDT)
From: Ian
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: correction
Message:
yes I've seen it.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 17:04:27 (EDT)
From: Roger Deliverance Drek
Email: None
To: Ian
Subject: you have a pretty mouth (nt)
Message:
toidi
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 17:18:45 (EDT)
From: Ian
Email: None
To: Roger Deliverance Drek
Subject: ? sorry, don't swing that way
Message:
not thats there is anything wrong with.... of course not.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:04:50 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: Anon
Subject: You MUST socialize!!
Message:
If this is true and it should be it really ticks me off!

I have noticed that premies should have been more sociable for years and people looked at me as if I was crazy. Now they have been given permission to be more sociable. This really stinks.

Talk about inhibiting!

I think I'm getting to the nitty-gritty of what bugged me: don't be yourself - wait for 'agya' on how to behave. Does this make premies look stupid or what?
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:37:54 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Liz
Subject: You MUST socialize!!
Message:
No kidding. He has successfully wiped out natural intelligence, love, and spontaneity.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:52:09 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: anti-social example
Message:
Yes, He took away so much and then supplied us with his stunted philosophy to fill in the resulting vacuum.

I've mentioned this before, but it is more appropriate than ever now that he's changing the rules again.

At one of the recent Long Beach or Thousand Oaks events (program or festival or guru worship) after he laid the most anti-social response of Leave me alone to an innocently asked How are you? I was returning from the washroom and saw someone that I hadn't seen for years in the hallway. It took a moment to recognize her and she recognized me. We briefly smiled at each other but walked on by without saying a word as the Leave me alone and the we aren't here to socialize tape started running in our heads.

Maharaji, you're one sick fella! Stop it. For God's sake stop mindfucking your premies. Time to call it quits and get the professional help that you need.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 19:59:33 (EDT)
From: Diz
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: anti-social example
Message:
Hi Liz, Barney, Gail

Yeah, this one really gets me too. If MJ says don't be social, then some premies aren't. If he says be social, then it's all on. Where's the inner direction? Who needs friends like that!

Which isn't to say that all premies take it that way. I do know some very social, very sweet premies who do appear to live in the real world and follow their own understanding of how to act with other human beings.

I feel quite ambivalent about any part this forum has played in the design of 'Phase 2'. I HATE the subtle marketing, the pretty face which hides the basic message of MJ knows best. Gail, what that premie said about 'It's what Mj wants' sounds so familiar. What about: it's what I feel is right?

Ho hum, guess I'm getting santimonious again.

Gail, good to have you back on the forum. Hope you're doing okay.
Diz
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 20:27:25 (EDT)
From: Diz
Email: None
To: Barney
Subject: PS Barney
Message:
PS Barney

I logged off and then realised I probably sounded like I was having a go at you. That wasn't my intention. I wasn't at that program but if I had been, I too would quite likely have passed by friends, if I'd just been told by the boss whatever it was about not socialising. I really appreciate your telling that story. It's quite something to own the stuff you did as a premie, I don't think I'm particularly good at it. You story makes the point about the effect of MJ's words so clearly. Which got me going on the above post.

Actually, I have trouble with premies who say 'well, I never got so involved, I saw what was what and kept out of trouble.' I don't think a sincere premie really had/has that option. Sometimes MJ lets the rope out a bit somewhere, sometimes he pulls it tight. Those who stay slack in the tight times may well survive better, but they aren't following the Master. It seems to me that it's in or out, there's really no fence-sitting if you're honest with yourself, and really listen to what MJ's asking. The messages about getting fully involved were there almost all the way through - maybe a few years in the eighties when they weren't, but mostly the vibe was there.

'Scuse the rave. Thank you for your story.

Diz
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 21:29:31 (EDT)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Diz
Subject: Best of something
Message:
This whole thread should go into the best of something. Yes the best of robotic conditioning by the guru maharaji. Couldn't the military use him somewhere?

I am a robot. I will be social. I will invite new aquantences over to my house and surprise them with a video of Maharji. I will get to know premies I've ignored for years. This will be fun. It will be blissful. This is what the master wants. I am a robot. I will be blissful. I am a robot...
robot...robot...robot...robot...robot...robot...robot...robot...
robot...robot...robot...robot...robot...robot...robot...robot...
robot...robot...robot...robot...robot...robot...robot...robot...
creak...creak...creep...creep...creepy, creepy, creepy!
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 21:58:52 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Zac
Subject: Invasion of the Body Snatchers
Message:
Yes, come over to my house and have a nice glass of wine and watch this nice little video with it's soothing music, waterfalls, flowers, and walking on the beach scenes. Oh no, it's perfectly all right to get very relaxed and fall asleep. No offense taken. Why don't you take off your shoes and put your feet up and get comfortable?
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 01:11:32 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: Zac @ house of Drek
Subject: Definately 'best'
Message:
I haven't laughed so much since this morning! I know I'm blowing off some real charge about this area. (Scientology speak)

This definately should go on best of the forum.

Thanks

Liz
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 02:15:35 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek
Email: None
To: Liz
Subject: which parts?
Message:
I'm a little dense here. It is good, but which part(s) should be best?
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Date: Sat, May 22, 1999 at 00:37:49 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: Roger E. Drek
Subject: Zac's posts (2)
Message:
I especially thought these two of Zacs were a riot!

'I am a robot' and 'Fighting with his wife over who mows the lawn and does the dishes now video nights are held in their home!'
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:21:49 (EDT)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Liz & Barney
Subject: Whole new service opportunity
Message:
Just think now you can mow your lawn and vacuum your house and it will qualify as service. Maybe I should rejoin the cult and clean this place up a bit.

'Honey, Kids, who gets to wash the dishes for maharji tonight? 'It's my turn. No you did it last night.' Okay then you do it but I'm cleaning the bathrooms.' That's not fair. The bathrooms are my service.' later that night. 'Goodnight Honey I'll see you in the morning I'm doing all night security in the garage it'll be blissful.' Phase II is gonna be fun.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 21:48:42 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Diz
Subject: no problem, here's the problem
Message:
I think that the degree that someone adheres to what Maharaji says is a spectrum where some followers moved all the way to the right with statements like that's what Maharaji wants to following their own natural-born instincts.

Occasionally, in moments of desperation I would attempt to adhere strictly to what I thought Maharaji said. However, those moments were few and far between, fortunately.

Nevertheless, with such blind obedience and worship heaped upon Maharaji it is not difficult to see how much influence his sick and changing philosophy had in our lives in the most subtle ways. This is a good example of mind control and brainwashing.

Let's consider mind control. Essentially, you're trying to influence other people to adhere to your way of thinking for whatever reason. Sure, it's everywhere - on the internet, on this forum, on TV, the movies, books, radio, everywhere. But, with most forms of communicating thoughts and ideas there is usually some kind of arms length of removal and a rational evaluation and understanding of the source of the information. However, with Maharaji there is no longer a rational evaluation of his status because his status is that of Lord of the Universe, no matter that he is supposedly retracting that sales pitch.

I say, having been at events as recently as 1997, that the Lord of the Universe message is still preached, albeit more subtle. He makes no real effort to deny his divinity and he speaks in third person that alludes to it strongly. Sure, his website tries to whitewash it away, but that is a thin veneer facade produced by his PR and Marketing people for public consumption.

Visit Drek's False Links and definitely check out Avatar Adi Da Samraj (aka Bubba Free John) to check out how ridiculous looking such claims of divinity are. Even if it's true it ain't gonna play in Peoria.

So, basically Maharaji is using an unfair advantage of his perceived divine status to put ideas into people's minds and gaining control of their minds, thus gaining control of their lives. Doesn't sound too healthy to me anymore.

Maharaji is the leader of a cult who proclaims an absolute truth as the cornerstone, yet the message is in a constant state of confusion.

Could this, by itself, being a warning signal for people possibly considering Maharaji's path?

I'll tell anyone who might be reading this that once you get deeply into Maharaji's cult it becomes very difficult to sort out what is yours and what is his and you may be looking at years of therapy to do so after the promised nirvana fails to materialize even though you tried your best.

The problem was not yours. Rather the problem is with the guy at the top, the guy with all the money with all his own little problems that he fails to fully disclose.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:43:33 (EDT)
From: D_Thomas
Email: None
To: Diz
Subject: I resemble that remark!
Message:
Dear Diz,

I remember the late '70s when the satsang started getting heavy for total devotion and committment, especially when the Ashrams were starting up again. I took heed to what M was saying and I also examined my own heart, feelings and what I was capable of. Then I said 'No way! I don't know you well enough to make this kind of committment. I don't know who you are, what your powers are and if you are a kind and loving person.'

I believe I was being honest and sincere. True, it was not the decision I was supposed to make. I'm still waiting for an invitation to the residence, so I can see how he is like in private and what kind of person he really is.

So by your own words, you are going to have trouble with me.

Regards, D
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 19:52:02 (EDT)
From: Diz
Email: None
To: D_Thomas
Subject: I resemble that remark!
Message:
Hi D

You said:
'Then I said 'No way! I don't know you well enough to make this kind of committment. I don't know who you are, what your powers are and if you are a kind and loving person.'' (must learn to do italics)

I think at that point I would have had to consider walking away. Which I guess is what you did eventually.

I swallowed the idea that MJ was the Perfect Master, because Knowledge 'worked', ie I had a very deep and loving experience in meditation. Therefore it took me a long time to question whether MJ was a kind and loving person. Also, I think I had some idea that it didn't matter whether he was kind and loving, he was the Master so even if he wasn't what I thought he should be, then I had no choice but to make the commitment.

That thinking of course hinged on the belief that K was IT and that other aspects of life were very much secondary.

What changed? Partly I realised that other aspects of my life DID matter, not just to my 'head' but to my heart. Along with that I realised that I couldn't give my life to someone with whom I didn't feel comfortable on a human level. Both these realisations were not in line with my premie conditioning, so it took a long time for them to reach the point where I decided to quit.

I guess I still don't know what MJ's like close up. I suspect we wouldn't really like each other that much. He'd think I was a wimpy whinger (sp?) and I'd think he was too much the playboy without experience of life in the trenches. A moot point, really, because he wasn't about to have me get close to him anyway. My attempts at letter-writing and asking questions got nowhere.

I'm not one to write off anybody in a hurry, on a human level. However I do think there are people to whom I shouldn't get too close. I certainly no longer want to be close to MJ - there probably never would have been room for a human relationship, anyway, when the Master-student thing was going so strong.

As to 'having trouble with you', D, well, I also have trouble with dolts like me who DID give it all they had. We each found a way to try to balance out our pull to Mj with our other needs and principles. In reterospect, all ways of doing that had their flaws, I believe. And all were understandable. Although I 'have trouble' with current premies, both the K-lite and the K-heavy versions, I still feel I'm on the more accepting side, in the spectrum of exes, at least those on this forum. I keep clear, though, of the cheap shots which flow from each camp. And I do think the shots which run along the lines of 'you're a creep to feel hurt, you should have been like ME and stayed away from x, y, or z (that MJ recommended)' are VERY cheap. I'm not keen on the devotional stuff either - it's a bit too close to home for me - but even if it's delusional, at least its a bit more honest?? in some way than the mocking of the premies who didn't get bit because they didn't get involved.

I like your message header. And I hope, after all that, that you'll still post to me.

Diz
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 03:33:55 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Dream on SCHMUCK
To: Anon
Subject: No More Balls,LIAR
Message:
Dear Anon,No wonder,your anon,there havent been local halls,READ Churches,since the 80's,by which time most of you old time religious freaks had gone on to better things like creating this freakin X site.Local events are held in convenient public venues,and have been for years now!If you need to know where look up the official sites and 'dial the number' dickhead.Talk about paranoid BULLSHIT,cant this crappy site survive without lying??
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 08:58:05 (EDT)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Wrong Again Catweasel
Message:
In the US, communities rent and decorate space that is soley for their use, showing nightly videos. See top post of this thread for further clarification. The communities sign leases on this space.

Showing real balls catweasel would be wiping the slate clean and looking at M and the org. for one month as though you have not been a long standing member. That takes cat guts. You may still decide to follow M but you'll never view him or the org. in the same way again. Have you got the guts?
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:36:47 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Give up!
To: Zac
Subject: Zac the Fascist.Zieg Heil
Message:
That hasnt been done for over ten years anywhere!You think you know but you dont!And zac,go and take a flying fuck,I'm quite happy the way I am and I dont need a politically correct X telling me what to think or do.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 13:57:50 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Wrong
Message:
Sorry bud, YOU are wrong! That's EXACTLY how it's done here in AZ. So your version of 'everywhere' just shrunk a piece.

You know, I'm tired of reading your tirades about nothing. How about answering a few simple questions and have a conversation. Do you believe that M is GOD? Do you believe he is greater than GOD? Do you believe in GOD?

Here....I'll go first NO, NO and 'maybe.'
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:07:27 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: I'dLikeToBeLikeMike!!!
To: Mike
Subject: Wrong
Message:
You silly fuck,I'm a nilhist,I dont believe anything!Its a pointless waste of cerebal hard drive.You never updated your operating system and so your stuck with an irrelevant 70's soft brain.I actually pity you for your narrow minded,judaic-christian based concepts like'GOD'.Try a bit of science,you moralist shit.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 21:33:40 (EDT)
From: Zac
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Your a joke
Message:
You make me laugh catweasel, you don't know shit. I'm getting to you aren't I. I deal in facts Cat. I don't have an agenda here other than facing the facts. You don't want to look at them cause your a weenie.

I suggested you look clearly at the facts but your afraid they will rock your world. To bad that's life.

If facts don't apply to your master then get the fuck outta here and meditate or go to a new age revival cause you live in a fantasy world. Ciao.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:46:41 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Cult meetings are not public
Message:
although they may be held in public places. It is not open like it was in the 70s. I can't even go after being a member in good standing for 24 years.

Jeez, another devotee actually phoned my ex-husband to see if I'd tried to deprogramme him. If Guru Margarine doesn't program people, why would deprogramming work?

Come on, Catweasel. There are two basic premises that keep you glued to the lotus feet--a) he is the Lord and b) K is the divine knowledge of god. Take away those two bricks and all you are left with is a disgruntled, ex-premie. Check out http://www.adidam.org. Bubba Free John says the same things and even uses the same vernacular that Guru Margarine once did. Read it. He's the Lord, too. You can practice the same techniques, move into his ashram, listen to his satsang, and kiss his lotus feet.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:59:25 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Clarity
To: Gail
Subject: The only cult is in your mind
Message:
I really feel sorry for you Gail,the state of your mind and your concept of personal freedom.I mean how fucked up have you always been?The stuff youre spouting is totally irrelevant to my practice of Knowledge.When M is around I enjoy him.You dont,whats the problem?just fuck off and leave the rest of us alone.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:15:48 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: WAGER FOR CATWEASEL
Message:
This is the ex-premie forum, so why don't you go to a pro-Guru Margarine place if that's the jargon you're looking for. Did you look at Bubba Free John's site? It's the same trip, Catweasel.
What's the matter? Did I hit a nerve? I dare you to say you don't believe he's the Lord. I bet you can't. Come on. Do it! Say it! Shout it! Repeat after me to the beat of the human heart.

He's not the Lord. He's a meditation teacher. He's not the Lord. He's a meditation teacher. He's not the Lord. He's a meditation teacher. He's not the Lord. He's a meditation teacher.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:52:25 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: CATWEASEL
Subject: Calling CATWEASEL
Message:
He's not the Lord--let's hear it. That is his current image. Are you having a little cognitive dissonance. Perhaps you could use a little therapy yourself. You are the most ANGRY of the lot. You epress yourself poorly. Surely your vocabulary goes beyond testicles and copulation?
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:21:29 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: SledgingMatchGail???
To: Gail
Subject: Balling CATWEASEL?Gail!!!
Message:
Your ideas,your problems;work them out for yourself Your other derrogatory comments are irrelevant
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:13:37 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Who'sKiddingWho????
To: Gail
Subject: LAGER FOR CATWEASEL?
Message:
I personally believe that both forums are fucked.Generally its only you twits in attendance anyway and your all well trained troops for your crazy out there cause!Who cares what you think?Not me.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 17:38:32 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Why don't you follow your
Message:
own advice, catmeasley.... 'just fuck off and leave the rest of us alone.' Your words, not mine!

You seem to be confused....this is the EX-PREMIE forum. Your stellar forum is enjoyingmyfantasy.org and mahahahaharaji.org. Here we discuss M in the light of truth, THERE you can discuss your fantasy life to no end. See the difference?
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:23:39 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Assumption?
To: Mike
Subject: Why don't you follow your
Message:
You fools AMUSE me
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:38:32 (EDT)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: No More Balls,LIAR
Message:
Catweasel you're on funking mars and you're trying to tell me what goes on in my local community.

All over the U.S. rooms/halls are leased for the sole purpose of nightly video programs. There is one happening tonight ass-wipe in Denver, Boulder, lots of areas of California, New York and other places. You just don't have a clue what's going on.They started leasing halls/rooms in the mid-eighties. Most people know this shit-eater.

Many of the people on this site and the lurkers have attended daily video showings at rented/leased local community halls/rooms in hotels, office buildings, etc. Even the practicing premies and PWK are aware of this one peuke-face.

So I hope they save this thread so if and when the 'halls' are closed down I'll remind you to eat your ass-picking words.

Oh, and Catweasal is not and Anon, you mean that's your real name???? No wonder you're such a Jerk-o-rama.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:51:15 (EDT)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: Everyone But Catweasel
Subject: Correction
Message:
Apoligies to everyone but Catweasel, they started renting/leasing halls/rooms after they closed down the community centers and ashrams in the mid-eighties. There used to be permanent type centers and in Denver IHQ, but now there're only rented and leased places in the U.S. That's what I was refering to.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 10:55:38 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Anon
Subject: You are right, Anon.
Message:
Maybe Nimrod will clarify what happened in Montreal. They lost their permanent site last year due to lack of funds. The propagation just wasn't growing.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 11:02:49 (EDT)
From: Anon
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: TO CATWEASEL
Message:
Catweasel, is that your first or last name? Were your parents on drugs when they named you? Were you always as stupid as you are now? Were you always a bleeding ass-hole? How is it on fucking mars? Do you have to wipe your ass before you inhale? Is that why you like Maharaji so much? What's your middle name? Hemorroid?
Got shit for brains? GET LOST CREEP?
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Date: Sat, May 22, 1999 at 11:22:53 (EDT)
From: Catweasal
Email: Mr Creative?
To: Anon
Subject: TO CATWEASEL
Message:
What an unfortunate moron you are.No wonder your anon.You probably couldnt spell the rest of your title!One thing---Atleast I had parents!One up on you Jim,you gutless bastard!!!!!
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Date: Sat, May 22, 1999 at 12:14:31 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Catweasal
Subject: TO CATWEASEL
Message:
So Catweasel. Is he the Lord or a meditation teacher. What about all the other 'Lords' walking around these days. Their devotees are doing the 'SAME THINGS' and having the 'SAME EXPERIENCE.'
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Date: Sat, May 22, 1999 at 23:17:14 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: who cares
To: Gail
Subject: TO CATWEASEL
Message:
Does'nt really bother me,my respect and love for him are based on MY expierience;my life,my practice and my interaction with M.The rest is irrelevant to me!
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Date: Sun, May 23, 1999 at 00:46:17 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: With all due respect
Message:
Does'nt really bother me,my respect and love for him are based on MY expierience;my life,my practice and my interaction with M.The rest is irrelevant to me!

Cat,

I don't really think it works that way. I know Maharaji pretends its possible to live with blinders on that tight but, well, you know, it just plain isn't. Years ago we were so proud of our Guru Maharaj Ji. He said stuff like:

Who is Guru? The highest manifestation of God is Guru. So when Guru is here, God is here, to whom will you give your devotion? **** When God has come here, then what is the need to give devotion to God there?

and we melted. We were proud, Cat. We had the 'highest manifestation', you know? 'More power than ever before'? Bigger, brighter, whiter? 'Shout it in the streets!'? Remember?

Anyway, things kind of mosey along ... doo dee doo dee doo .... a few decades pass and, lo and behold, Maharaji can't even touch his past. Here's how he refers to it on his own web site:

Every time I sit down to write something, a reminder comes. Keep it simple.
This is neither a biography nor a history session. I sincerely believe in moving forward.


I mean, what is this? He seems almost pained to not discuss it. 'I sincerely believe in moving forward'. Isn't that what Jim Baker said when he got out of prison?

Why, is Maharaji so afraid of his past? And why has he trained his premies to pretend that they don't even want to understand who he is, how he got there and all that shit?

Something else Maharaji says on his site is:

People through the years have tried to place me in a mold, and from the very early years I have not been able to oblige them.

But, really, on a simple human level, is this guy shirking a little repsonsibility or what? I mean, talk about scapegoating? Who put a gun to his head and made him say this:

So God Himself comes to give practical Knowledge of His divinity, of His inner self, which is self-effulgent light, eternal light, all-pervading light. **** And the Supreme Master, the Satguru, gives practical Knowledge of that light, irrespective of caste, creed, color, religion or sex, to those human individuals who bow before him with reverence, with love and with faith.

Cat, please be reasonable here. You don't have to follow Maharaji down every last twist of deceit and evasion. Be your own person. Tell me, is this guy caught with his pants down or what?
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Date: Sun, May 23, 1999 at 05:07:40 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Try Letting it all GO
To: Jim
Subject: Its so Predictable
Message:
James,your quotes are old and you are not bold.You need the safe railway tracks of dogma to survive. Real independence is something you will never savour.The whole show has moved on but your still stuck with the memories of your compliant youth .YOU complied,no-one else made you.Did you ever stop and think'Is this real or is it the interpretation of another'Bet you never did , bet you still dont!Its hard for a dogmatist like you James to understand how any-one could enjoy just being, without having a complicated intellectual 'paint by numbers' blueprint, for life.But,until you learn to drop all that crap you live by you'll NEVER TASTE FREEDOM!!!!!!!
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Date: Sun, May 23, 1999 at 08:05:01 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Are ex-premies free?
Message:
Enjoy just being, without having a complicated intellectual 'paint
by numbers' blueprint, for life. You do that, Catweasel! Keep pretending that everything is alright. If everything is so peachy, what are you doing here?

Why forget the past? I have freedom to reject the cult, but I have been badly beaten by cult programming. It's sort of like being rescued from a concentration camp after 24.5 years. You are bound to think of your captors. My wounds are healing, but I will never be totally free. I am no closer to god either.

Think of MJ. Now, think of Hitlar. They aren't much different. Both have employed charismatic speeches, screeching sessions, brainwashing techniques and fear to wield power over others and get what they want. Hitlar murdered the entire human being and stole the gold. MJ offers a slow, painful death from the inside out in exchange for gold. What's the difference?
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Date: Sun, May 23, 1999 at 10:25:32 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Its All inThe Mind!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
To: Gail
Subject: Are premies free?Yes
Message:
I'm worried about your state of mind.Your still completely consumned by bullshit from one direction or another.You havent let anything go thats why YOUR here!Dont kid yourself that I'm here for any noble purpose or to learn anything.I'm here to amuse myself with YOUR fantasies.You just got it all fucked up because you wanted something that has never been there.If you had just practised Knowledge,taken a seat when he was around,and helped out in a simple practical way when possible and convenient,you wouldnt be so disturbed now at not making the mythical inner circle.Thats why you spend so much time postulating on things you'll never ever know,because your curiosity wanted to know,and stil does!Catweasel does'nt bother because the weasel knows what poped the cat!P>S You ARE free and you always have been.Walk away from here and you'll find out!
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Date: Sun, May 23, 1999 at 10:45:12 (EDT)
From: Gail MacDougall
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Aw, Catweasel
Message:
You said: 'If you had just practised Knowledge, taken a seat when he was around, and helped out in a simple practical way when possible and convenient, you wouldn't be so disturbed now at not making the mythical inner circle.'

A) What do you think I did for 24.5 years?

B) What is the mythical inner circle? Could it be the god- realization that Rawat promised us? If there is no destination to K, why all the driving force?

C) Furthermore, I hardly ever come here anymore. I've been ill for the past week, so I put in some time. It has been an eye-opener for sure. I'm glad to have met you. You raise some interesting questions.

D) For me, being involved with MJ could be likened to a bad marriage. It takes time to get over things. The unfortunate thing is that you still have the whole mess to deal with. I'm at least half-way through. All the best (and I mean that).
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Date: Sat, May 22, 1999 at 11:16:43 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Semantics?
To: Anon
Subject: Correction
Message:
So whats the big deal, did you expect meetings to be conducted in an underground carpark?Youre agreeing with me!
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:30:03 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Naughty Boy!!!!!
To: Anon
Subject: No More Brains,Mr Nobody?
Message:
They dont OWN them,thats the point!Anon abuse just doesnt seem to come natural to you,I guess thats because you never really worked through your shri stage
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 10:53:32 (EDT)
From: Maharaji
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: You whiners
Message:
are pathetic. If you're unhappy, just walk! And don't let the door hit you on the butt on the way out!

Man, it's tough being the Lord! Now where's that cognac?
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 12:47:02 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: Your goon-ship
Message:
Hey MJ: I already took my hike in and the long hike out. It's strewn with scree and slippery talus slopes that aren't worth the effort to traverse. As an avid hiker, I'm more than willing to warn people about your dead-end trail-to-nowhere! I would be remiss in my duty (not to mention incredibly seflish) to others if I did otherwise. Hey, I've got an idea, why don't YOU hike your own trail and see where it leads....hmmmm????
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 13:40:08 (EDT)
From: Maharaji
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: Look, maggot
Message:
My very expensive rolex watch says it's time for me to get out of here. Did I mention that I am a world-class pilot? And that I have many residences around the world. What do you have? I am a very rich and powerful man.

Now I have an important engagement to spread this love and peace.
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 14:08:01 (EDT)
From: Durga Ji
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: Dear Mike
Message:
Please don't excite MJ anymore. He is unbearable to live with already. He rants and raves about security. He has stopped making homemade bread. Monica has been staying over later and later. The two of them play with the 64 windows. OPEN--CLOSE-- OPEN--CLOSE. We just pray it is not our karma for him to use his 64 powers on us.

We are anxious for him to leave for his world tour so we can have peace around here. Besides, I hate Monica's perfume (Excite or some cheap thing).
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 16:47:35 (EDT)
From: Maharaji
Email: None
To: Durga Ji
Subject: Durga Ji!!!
Message:
Marolyn
I told you to never go near that ex-premie website!!
Now where is my detachable penis?
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 14:38:22 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: Look, maginot
Message:
MJ: Don't cross-the-line with me, boyo! I said HIKE, not fly...... Man, don't you know how to read?
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 16:50:40 (EDT)
From: Maharaji
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: Look, maginot
Message:
Mike, maybe you've been away too long, but Guru Maharaji doesn't hike anywhere, you dig?
And please withhold the comments about my waistline. I have a...a thyroid disorder, yeah, that's it!
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 17:13:34 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Maharaji
Subject: You do have a disorder
Message:
MJ: But it is likely more mental than physical.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 01:00:31 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: ***Best*** All of it!
Message:
You whiners! at Roger's Best of the Forum
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 11:48:18 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Roger E. Drek
Subject: ***Best*** All of it!
Message:
Well since you liked it can I come out of the closet and say I played the part of Maharaji in that little thread?
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 11:52:26 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: everyone
Subject: who was Durga Ji
Message:
in that this thread, that was really funny.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 21:19:02 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: freedom@gtn.net
To: Helen
Subject: I confess--I was Durga Ji (nt)
Message:
:^) Excite perfume really stinks!
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 12:48:23 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: I thought so! Good job! (nt)
Message:
adsfafd
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 14:29:37 (EDT)
From: Mike
Email: None
To: Helen
Subject: ***Best*** All of it!
Message:
Helen: Thank you for playing the part. I enjoy yelling and insulting M.... Much the same as he insulted our intelligence and brow-beat us all of the time. :-)
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:46:07 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Mike
Subject: ***Best*** All of it!
Message:
Well, dear, anytime you want to act out your little psychodrama fantasies, just call me, (: You know I love playing different characters
Helen
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 02:40:23 (EDT)
From: KB
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: divinity update
Message:
I keep reading folks talking like him pushing himself as
lord is something he DID do.

Have no misconceptions about it, he still very clearly
pushes the god-incarnate line.
Just ONE comment from 99 is 'your breath is my gift to you'
and dont fergit the late nineties life saver, 'think of me
at the moment of death'.

There are lots of comments about 'the master' that talk like
the way he used to say 'and guru maharaj ji is ....'
doing that third person pitch.

It is NOT a seventies issue.
As for the 'big changes' phase two started already and reading
the exerpts at enjoyingdelusion.org of his latest speakings
confirms that 'the master' issue is still with us.

Whatever 'phase two' is, it is not any different in this regard.

Just because he says a few sentences at his web site or
in some of his talks that you could say are less god like,
does not mean that he has stopped pushing the 'I am god incarnate'
crap.
Not at all.
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 05:04:26 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: KB
Subject: Same as it ever was.
Message:
Hi KB,

I agree with you. If you look at his website, it's clear he still sees himself as the latest in the line of 'Perfect Masters'.

Also, whatever insipid style of presentation gets dreamed up by the premies wallowing around in Visions or where ever, is quite seperate from the worshiping that goes on around Maharaji personally.

Around him, it's the same as it ever was.

I think this contradiction in philosophy will only hasten the decline of Elan Vital. There are now two stories. The one they tell you when you come along for knowledge, and the one you hear as you get closer to Maharaji.

In the end, the beragon will snap and the charanamrit will spill over the carpet. Maharaji will realise he's going nowhere in his present career. He'll quit being God, get a proper job, and nobody will post on this Forum any more.

Anthrodamus
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:01:38 (EDT)
From: Passing Thru
Email: None
To: KB
Subject: KB update
Message:
Dear KB,
I know the second quote 'think of me etc' was Maharaji quoting Krishna.
So you'll undoubtedly want to apologise for that one.
As for you claim that Maharaji said 'your breath is my gift to you', please tell me when and where you heard this.
Regards
PT
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:27:04 (EDT)
From: nigel
Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk
To: Passing Thru
Subject: Splitting hairs
Message:
Hi PT,

Long time no see. You dropped in for a discussion?

Wouldn't you say that quoting Krishna was somehow intended to encourage a certain psychological association between his Lardship and the prehistoric, flute-tooting blue wonder-God? Surely it can be no coincidence that Prem Rawat used to claim membership of the very same Perfect Master lineage as Krishna and the rest, so it hardly makes a difference whether the 'think of me...' line was a quote or an instruction. The premies are going to interpret it as the latter, that's for sure.

Do you think it makes any difference who or what you think about at the moment of death? Perhaps you could clarify M's point, seeing as others here have chosen to misunderstand...
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:35:31 (EDT)
From: KB
Email: None
To: Passing Thru
Subject: KB update
Message:
January keeping in touch issue.

The krishna quote was used the same way he used to say
'and guru maharaj ji is the creator of ...'
Third person reference.
To pretend otherwise is to pretend.
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 10:28:09 (EDT)
From: G's mom
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: Prehistoric flute tooting blue
Message:
wonder God was a great line Nigel!
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 04:01:37 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Passing Thru
Subject: KB update
Message:
Hi Passing Thru,

So what's with the Krishna coronations then?

Anth the Curious.
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 00:18:58 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig
Message:
I want to go to these affairs. How can I get an invite that will be honoured at the door? I promise not to create a disturbance.

Miami on May 29, 1999 with a K session on May 30
Laval on June 14, 1999 with a K session on June 15

He's going all out these days with 2 one-day programs. Geez, things are really growing in North America.

Here in London, the info phone line has been changed. The woman who had donated her second line wants it back for personal messages. I love it.
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 00:26:17 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Ratting out the cult
Message:
I recently phoned one of our local libraries while a cult meeting was taking place. Lynn Devine masquerades the group as 'London Resources.'

I told the head librarian that I didn't think it was right to rent the room to a known cult. I told her who the speaker on the video was--the old cult leader Guru Margarine and Divine Light Mission. I also told her how he had attempted to change his name and his organization's name. I concluded by telling her that I am in psychiatric therapy to cure myself of the psychological damage incurred by association with this cult.

If the libraries persist in renting the facilities, I will personally go there during the video presentations and hand out RT's cards JUST SAY KNOW. Not that I need worry. The cult has lost three old-time devotees in the last year in this sleepy town alone. Soon diehard Lynn will be there by herself.
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:15:55 (EDT)
From: Sid Nigh
Email: Crap is crap
To: Gail
Subject: Ratting out the cult
Message:
JEEZ ,Gail your a real Arsehole,so clever but so dumb!!! More therapy for you.A bit of shock therapy wouldnt go astray!!Perhaps You'll get it soon loser?
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:28:50 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Sid Nigh
Subject: You're in De Nigh al (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:41:30 (EDT)
From: ratting
Email: None
To: Sid Nigh
Subject: That would be Steven?-NT
Message:
ty8o
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 11:02:22 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Sid Nigh
Subject: Sid Nigh--please read (long)
Message:
I call the library because I love people and I know that cult-life is very limiting. Most of the cult members will be lifers; it's a hell of a thing to face yourself and admit that everything based your existence on turns out to be a lie. The more a person believes in something, the harder it is to face the facts.

By your response alone, can't you see that you are reacting emotionally, not rationally. Are you really happy? Yoi are la creme de la creme. You are a devotee of the Living Lord. You know the divine secret. You are superior to all other beings. You are making it. You are travelling toward perfection. You are a very lucky human being. God is always looking out for you. Your destiny is MJ. He will come to you in your last breath to escort you to that permanet bliss. If you continue your good works, you may have the opportunity to live with him and serve him day and night.

I became like a Dr. Jeckle and Mr. Hyde. I was adorable while in direct contact with cult activities, yet, I could be extremely hurtful to others when I wasn't on for the purpose of my life-- promoting MJ and K. I was quick to get into things and quick to get out. After all, nothing except Goomer and K are permanent.

New people weren't potential friends; they were recruits for the cult. How far do these cult friendships go? Not very! In fact, When we joined the cult, we lost touch with old friends who didn't want to join. Our families were merely tolerated and fleeced for cash. The cult was everything: our friends and our Family of Love. We have become accustomed to greeting everyone equally; we have met the bag people; the stinky ones; the dangerous ones; the seriously mentally ill ones; the pompous, arrogant, realized ones; the givers; the takers; the users; the abusers; and, of course, the biggest hippocrate, the most derranged abuser, the most arrogant, the most deceitful--Guru Margarine himself?

If this were K of all K's, why aren't you more satisfied in your day-to-day life? After all these years of reaching for K and MJ, shouldn't you be a little more perfect yourself? You are getting worse, not better. 'Ye shall know HIM by his FRUITS.' I'm afraid you don't make a very good advertisement. I don't want anymore wonderful people, like you once were, to have their lives ruined, so I call the library.
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 12:17:04 (EDT)
From: Helen
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Gail
Message:
Gail I am enjoying reading your posts; glad you're back on the forum. Your insights are great, you're brave to share what you're learning in psychotherapy and I find it extremely interesting & helpful. 15 years after the fact I am still trying to understand this weird cult thing. It is great that you are calling attention to what is really going on at your local library and that you are standing up to it.
Helen
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 18:11:49 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: sundogs@hotmail.com
To: Sid Nigh
Subject: Ratting out the cult
Message:
Sid,
Another lover of his lardship. It is funny how easy it is to pick you hostiles out as lovers of god and truth!
Robyn
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 17:14:29 (EDT)
From: Mary
Email: None
To: Sid Nigh
Subject: Ratting out the cult
Message:
Sid,

You sir, can only wish and dream.

What's your name pussy?

Mary M
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:44:37 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Old one eye
To: Mary
Subject: Pussy goes Mousing
Message:
Your the only pussy I can smell,a bit like a tuna fish sandwich only zestier!Legal pussy,miaow I like the sound of that!Like Robin Williams said'Name the kittens after meeee!!!!!'
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 18:50:49 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Ratting out the cult
Message:
Gail, I think you need to put more effort into your psychiatric therapy... just a humble opinion.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 20:57:07 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: CHEAP SHOT!
Message:
Nil, I think that it is fine that we can all argue and bicker like children here and engage in a little name calling. However, to play off of the therapy game when someone has the courage to admit that they are in therapy is a real low blow and says more about your character than anything else.

To sound like an adult, I'll say that you should be ashamed of yourself and should consider what is fair and what is kind and considerate of what a human being is going through. Or do those higher human qualities take back seat when fully immersed in this Holy Jihad between you and us?

Again, I don't think that many of us cannot tolerate a little name calling, but your comment was beyond that.

Please consider that there might be some people here who are in therapy either because of their relationship with Maharaji or otherwise. Consider that these people are honest and healthy enough to seek help. What would happen (and I don't think that this applies to Gail in the least) if you started pushing around someone who was really suffering and you pushed them too far and they killed themselves? Would you feel anything? Would you, could you feel responsible? Any remorse? Or did they deserve it because they had insulted your Guru? Where does one draw the line, at hitting someone on the head with a hammer or a cruel and vicious taunt?

Please don't forget that one of the primary purposes of this Forum is that it is for ex-premies to share their experience of being an ex-premie. For premies to come in here and ask questions and get into debates, that's one thing, but to say stuff like that is simply in bad taste.

Ok, I'll prepare for your possible defense by saying that there are people here that post as Dr. Freud or what not and give someone a free online anaylysis, but that's in satire and in fair play.

Sure, you may get jumped on by people here and read stuff that you don't want to read, but then, you know, you really don't have to come here, do you? You got your Maharaji websites and Premies and Friends Chat and you're welcome at each and everyone of those websites. In fact, they're built and maintained for you. Whereas for many of us come here because we need to come here to get free of Maharaji because we no longer believe that he is so peachy keen.

Remember, there are ex-premies, premies, aspirants, and the general public reading this Forum. Hell, who knows, maybe even Maharaji reads it. Would Maharaji approve of your behavior? What kind of example are you setting for Knowledge?
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Date: Sat, May 22, 1999 at 20:08:18 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: Don't lecture me barney!
Message:
My comment was in response to the malicious intent of Gail to try to sabotage the efforts of the premies in her town. I am sensitive to her efforts at therapy but don't give me this bullshit that therapy includes revenge. Do you really think for a second that any therapist worth their salt would recommend such a tactic!?!? No they wouldn't BECAUSE IT IS ULTIMATELY HARMFUL TO HER! And if you are condoning her behavior by you post, I have no respect for you either.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 21:29:11 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Actually, Nil, I doing great!
Message:
My therapist is a nut. He has me talking to empty chairs and pretending it's Maharaji. Guess what! It isn't much of a stretch. I can't begin to count the number of times I've bowed down to an empty chair covered with a white sheet, pretending that Maharaji was there. Now I get to pretend that the psychiatrist isn't crazy. Nah! I think I'll get a new one.

Yup, it was a real stretch getting into this game and it's a hard pull out Guess who's driving the bulldozer--ME! You, on the other hand, are just as stuck as you ever were. Remember when MJ promised to pull you out of this maya back in 1978. The question is, what did he pull you into? Look at your post.

Thanks for your support, Barney!
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Date: Sat, May 22, 1999 at 11:34:26 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Your Dreamin
To: Gail
Subject: Actually, Its the same!
Message:
Your going nowhere ,you've learnt nothing.Still living on one fantasy or another.You could make it real for yourself,but you probably are happier paying some expensive Shrink to tell you what you should have worked out for yourself ' 'Rites and rituals will never bring you knowledge of your soul' Remember that?Ring any bells?
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Date: Sat, May 22, 1999 at 12:58:17 (EDT)
From: gAIL
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: Actually, it's free--for a
Message:
shrink. Here, in Canada, shrinks are paid by government health insurance. I agree with you that therapy has done little good. The Prozac sure helped last fall, though.
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Date: Sat, May 22, 1999 at 16:33:57 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: gAIL
Subject: Maharaji should pay!
Message:
Maharaji should be paying for everyone's therapy instead of buying new airplanes and yachts.

Perhaps, they could see a special edition coffee mug at Visions to provide the funding. Something with a picture of rotting vegetables or a mirror shattered into a million pieces. No small shit to live through, is it?

Maharaji is a mindfucker!
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Date: Sat, May 22, 1999 at 17:39:42 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: Maharaji should pay!
Message:
You said it, Barney. Thanks.
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Date: Sat, May 22, 1999 at 20:37:50 (EDT)
From: Nil
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: Maharaji should pay!
Message:
Maharaji is a mindfucker!

The mind is a heart-fucker!
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:41:13 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Dr Moreau
To: Nil
Subject: Ratting out the cult
Message:
It's just never going to work!The chip is failing!
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 22:44:25 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: None
To: Nil
Subject: Ratting out the cult
Message:
Why doesnt Barney get in touch ,a little therapy would surely help surly old Mr'teacher'Rubble!
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 00:27:28 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig
Message:
Hi Gail,

What is it, 5:20 am or so in England? My, you are up early!
As for me, I am on some dynamite allergy medicine 'Claritan'
and it seems to be keeping me up a bit. But that's better than the runny nose, watery eyes, sneezing, sniffling, etc.

Why do you need an invite to programs? You mentioned an invite at the Toronto event too. If you have Knowledge, why can't you just walk right in? (Unless you are on a shit list...)
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 00:54:35 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: The Doodoo list
Message:
First, I live in London, Ontario, Canada.

Second, as you know, I was not allowed to attend the Toronto Satellite event despite being sent an invitation.

You must also remember that I had been an active cult member from 1974 to June, 1998. This is how I was treated by my old friends. Ah, yes. This is a cult.

As far as a black list is concerned. I have no idea. All I have ever spoken here is the truth. Have you known me to be dishonest, SHP?
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 01:00:35 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: The Doodoo list
Message:
Gail,

I don't recall you ever having been dishonest, Gail, and did not imply such. Who sent you the invitation? Old friends? I was under the impression that you got the invitation from EV, for some reason. That's why I was confused about you being kept out.

By the way, I said I was crashing awhile back to Jim, and I'm still up and here due to some Rx medication I'm on for allergies that seems to be keeping me awake. Please, if he goes beserk over my 'lying' to him about leaving for the night, would you try to calm the poor guy? He's going to get old before his time.
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:34:06 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: Invite from EV (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 09:50:30 (EDT)
From: Sid Nigh
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: The Doodoo list
Message:
It is his time, and he is OLD
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:22:09 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Gail Gearloose
To: Gail
Subject: The Oh NO!!!! LIST
Message:
Just another imbecile!
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:43:24 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Catweasel
Subject: I just knew it...
Message:
...it just felt like a pussyshmeasel kind of a day.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 17:26:53 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig
Message:
Hi SHP,

Now SHP you already know the answer to your invitation question.
Pedophiles are welcome and protected if necessary... X/3 participants are not.

Interesting that NIL had a list of 2 people who could possibly harm women or men. Still no pedophile list. I guess the children are negotiable?

BTW what do they call the list that Barrass the Divine Arse Kisser Usherette Manager gets? Get it? Bar ass protects the mighty Lord of Maya's Ass by barring those individuals who the maya machine deems as asses for telling it like it is.

End of story. The children are not negotiable.

Mary M
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 04:20:58 (EDT)
From: Catweasel
Email: Beat Up
To: Mary M
Subject: Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig
Message:
You should fit in beautifully,Misfit Mary.
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:04:49 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig
Message:
Doesn't that woman realise she's holding back World peace!?

Anyway, now that I know Margarini is doing two programs in the West this year I just have this warm cosy feeling that the trouble in Kosovo will be solved and there's no need to worry about the Y2K bug. Ah, what a relief to know that the Lord has taken care of it all in his capable hands.
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:25:57 (EDT)
From: Darth Vader
Email: LEGENDINHISLIFETIME
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig
Message:
You 'd Be a total Fuckwit Drek!!As if you really know what Day it is?
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 10:55:19 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig
Message:
Hi Gail,

I just returned from a businees trip and found your question quite interesting.

My suggestion is to attire your self in a well cut silk suit, definitely wear your pearls, oh, and pull out your American Express Gold Card wave it around your face a bit (in Miami as if the heat were bothering you). You will definitely get in. None of the International Business Men (can we say Amway) usherettes would turn you away and the divine spotters for cash will escort you right in. Gotta love those Gold Cards.

The problem Maharaji is having right now is his narcicisstic craving for the latest, and greatest GulfStream V (capable of flying non stop from New York to Tokyo). It's not good for his ulcers.

Luv,
Mary M
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 14:19:18 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: Mary M
Subject: I already tried that!
Message:
I went to the satellite program in Toronto, last December. I wore a brand-new silk suit. I looked like a million bucks, if I do say so myself. I had a bonafide invitation from Elan Vital Canada. The people who refused me entry knew me well for 24 years.

Michael Duhaney and Alex Perlman refused to allow me in because I post here. Michael Duhaney even owed me over $1 800 at the time (which I am happy to say he has repaid except for $2 and returning my credit card). I'm sure he will.

I'd almost have to go as someone else and hoped not to be recognized in Miami. It's rather unlikely though after tramping around after the Lard for 24 years.
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 15:27:15 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: $$$ to send Gail to Miami
Message:
Right here and now I'm starting a fund to send Gail to go either incognito or as herself to Miami with a $100 donation.

Anyone else?
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 04:46:36 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: Roger E. Drek
Subject: Sizzle Artist
Message:
Right here and now I'm starting a fund to send Gail to go either incognito or as herself to Miami with a $100 donation.
Anyone else?


Geez Rog, if you were any sweeter... you'd be all armpit!
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:47:54 (EDT)
From: Mary M
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: I already tried that!
Message:
Hmmm... we'll all have to put our heads together on this one Gail.

We're you a PAM?

At any rate here are some options to ponder:

1. An Invitation - we must get our hands on one! (Just for the fun of counterfieting them and hiring a hot air balloonist to dump them over the City of Miami - Liberty City would be a good place too as Rawrat is so compassionate and can show people gratitude.)

Actually, the Miami Herald Satirist Dave Barry would probably be interested in the conundrum we're having getting in. I'm almost positive he'd let us borrow his 'potato launcher' that he keeps on the Herald's roof for launching the bogus invitations we've created. The ultimate goal is to confuse Jim Bareass the Royal Usherette as the bogus invitation scenario would not 'compute' in his safe little world. He then might have an apoplectic fit and let anybody in.

2. AMTEXT - I'm sure the Lord of Maya will be touching base with Chuckie Cheese. Maybe you could hang out there Gail?

3. Dandy Randy's Real Estate Office - call him up and let him know you've inherited quite an estate and want to invest in property. Get all dolled up WITH A WIG flash a few K bills in his face and he might even take you as his guest for the evening. Oh, make sure it's a blonde wig and practice on your New England preppy nonchalant attitude dahling.

4. This one might be a bit risky but you could find out where the program is and approach Mr Maya as a representative of all the children traumatized by various members of DLM/EV. Let him know that you agree with the 'kinder, gentler approach to dealing with his pedophile members' As a token of peace present him with several jars of vaseline jelly to ease his followers (with pedopheliac tendencies) transition from their protected little world of molesting helpless children to the Florida State Prison milieu. I'd also suggest taping the Monopoly 'Go Straight To Jail - Do Not Pass Go' cards on the jar covers of the petroleum jelly.

Gotta run.

Luv,
mary
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 01:15:48 (EDT)
From: nemesis
Email: None
To: Gail
Subject: Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig
Message:
Please come.

I'd like to meet you.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 04:33:15 (EDT)
From: Nim
Email: None
To: nemesis
Subject: Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig
Message:
I'll be there fuckbrain.
Don't you want to meet me?
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Date: Sat, May 22, 1999 at 20:09:22 (EDT)
From: nemesis
Email: None
To: Nim
Subject: Miami Beach/Montreal Shindig
Message:
which way do you swing??
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Date: Tues, May 18, 1999 at 10:37:04 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Missing Pictures now online
Message:
For those missing the pictures included in 'Satgurudev Shri Hans Ji Maharaj' they're now online:

Shri Hans

Sant Ji

Enjoy (together with your next breath)!
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Date: Tues, May 18, 1999 at 12:01:14 (EDT)
From: JW
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Well, Done
Message:
Well don JM. Your whole website is very important, because it provides so much information -- needed information. Again, it's amazing how little of all that I knew when I received knowledge and 'dedicated my life.' But I remember sitting in front of BM in Chicago in 1974 when he ranted on once again about my evil mind.

You can't even imagine what the mind will do to you, but it'll try it’s level best to stop you. And this is where many people freak out. A pilot expecting a break of sound, if as soon as his plane starts like kind of shaking or anything like that, he pulls back his throttles, he will never reach there. Just keeps on going. There will be certainly a point where the plane will go like that, and then it'll smooth out, ..... and then there will be no sound at all. That sound that is troubling you so much will be left far, far behind. Before you can even listen to it, you are going to be ahead completely ahead of it. And then it's so beautiful ! (February 19, 1974 - Chicago)

This whole idea, dichotomy, that there is a part of a human being that is out to get you, that you have to fight and get past before you can be happy, is probably the most destructive, insidious, part of BM's stunted philosophy. It's basically just a Hindi belief system, but it fit into our Christian backgrounds as well, with concepts like the devil, evil, etc. Besides being utter bullshit, it also causes a lot of pain and fear in people who, as premies, go around thinking there are two parts of them, one good, one bad. Also, funny how BM never has explained how things got so fucked up in the first place. As John said one time, how come god would screw things up like that?
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 03:31:19 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: JW
Subject: Thank you
Message:
for your support.

I know lots of people are coming and read the website, and I'm glad I get some feedback from time to time.

What I'll also be glad to have is some suggestion: there is now a lot of documents there to read, but I'm not sure they're presented well.

If you have any idea how to introduce this better, I'll be glad to know!
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Date: Tues, May 18, 1999 at 09:11:06 (EDT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Funny Shit
Message:
Anybody hear about this guy named Sai Baba who can make gold appear in thin air? Well, there's this guy, B. Premanand, the anti-guru, who thinks he's full of shit and wants to prove it in court. At least he did back in 1986. Here's the article I stumbled upon about it. I think it's pretty funny. Is it gold or is it bullshit?
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Date: Tues, May 18, 1999 at 17:57:46 (EDT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Jerry
Subject: Funny Shit
Message:
There's a film which I saw on cable where you can see Sai Babe reaching under his cloak and producing an object he is supposed to be materializing. The whole situation is complicated by the number of political leaders in India who follow him.
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Date: Tues, May 18, 1999 at 09:08:29 (EDT)
From: BILL
Email: NONE
To: Everyone
Subject: SERVICE AND ALL THAT!
Message:
I find it difficukt to belierve how people can be so gullible as to render 'service' to Maharaji and to contribute their hard-earned money to Elan Vital which is run and totally controlled (albeit anonymously) by M himself.. It seems that at the moment M is hell bent on getting new recruits - what he calls 'propagation'. I guess he considers is as a good return on his investment.
I am sure I will get shot down for saying it, but I con sider him to be nothing else than a charlatan.
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Date: Tues, May 18, 1999 at 09:42:25 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: BILL
Subject: Gullibility?
Message:
I don't think gullibility is at work here for premies.

They do it out of what they call 'love' they feel for him,
or
out of guilt when they don't feel 'that love',
and you can't fight these feelings.

We know what triggers 'that love': m's show, and the cult's conditioning.

My idea, as to do anything useful, is to expose what's hidden in the cult. Feeding the doubt maker, and understanding his function is really helpful (has been for me anyway).

Maybe you haven't understood (well enough) yet for yourself what's triggered your own involvement. I don't think you're a gullible person.

Charlatans have only the power you uncounsciously allow them to have. We've been m's clients, and he's constantly looking for new recruits. Maybe we should ask the question: why be m's client, and not scientology's? I'd NEVER have bought that one. I guess if you can understand this for you, you won't consider yourself gullible anymore. We are not 'weary and weak', and we're not 'wonderful' either. We're just regular human beings. And we do have our own weaknesses, as everybody does.

The fact that we consider m as a charlatan is not enough. If we're still in that opinion means we still consider ourselves as victims. Rawat is virtually NOTHING without what's going on around him. Anybody meeting him in the street won't 'feel' anything for him. Just another Indian guy, maybe some foreign pilot if he wears his pilot outfit. But have him on a throne, with his Krishna outfit (or watch any of his new technology), and if you've been brainwashed enough, that's something extremely powerful.
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Date: Tues, May 18, 1999 at 11:44:50 (EDT)
From: BILL
Email: NONE
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Gullibility?
Message:
You are right. I am not gullible, but just a protester about the gullibility of others. To be precise, I am referring to my wife who not only has contributed money (mine!) but has even rendered menial service by cleaning toilets, etc. She has now been upgraded to a kind of receptionist1

If I have tagged along - and have even become a premie - it is only because my wife is so engrossed with M. He is venerated and has been put on a pedestal ..... and I see no way of knockiNg him off it.

Hopefully, time will do that.

Thanks for replying.
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Date: Tues, May 18, 1999 at 12:20:08 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: BILL
Subject: ... and denial
Message:
I guess there is also a part of me that's always been aware that all this luxury was not necessary for m, and that there was something strange trying to hide it, as Ev & instructors and m were constantly into.

But the denial process was in action, and it allows you to buy a lot....

until the last 'drip' fills the cup....

I guess it depends how much you can take!

- it is only because my wife is so engrossed with M. He is venerated and has been put on a pedestal ..... and I see no way of knockiNg him off it.

I'm in awe of how much you can take having a wife like her!

I can understand you're furious...
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Date: Tues, May 18, 1999 at 17:27:08 (EDT)
From: KB
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: ... and denial
Message:
You could print out some of the pages that are scattered on the
4 web sites and let her read them.
Some are pretty good at pulling back the curtain.

If you get a better handle on it by spending some time with us,
you could have the info you need to help her extract herself.
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Date: Tues, May 18, 1999 at 21:17:45 (EDT)
From: Gail
Email: None
To: KB
Subject: Lord recognition by chosen few
Message:
How come only a handful of people world wide have recognized their Lord and the divine K?

God is a mean, egocentric, pompous creator who shows favouritism. Ya, right!
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 00:45:20 (EDT)
From: Diz
Email: None
To: BILL
Subject: SERVICE AND ALL THAT!
Message:
Hi Bill

I just wanted to get clear whether you're the old Bill or the new Bill.

I gather you're new to the forum. For your info (you may already know) there's another Bill who has been posted here regularly. Might be an idea to distinguish yourself somehow. Maybe you used upper case letters for that reason, but our other Bill types his names a few different ways, so I and maybe some others still thought you were him.

We've had a few threads about relationships where one person is heavily into MJ and the other person feels their relationship is being compromised. It's not an easy area. You might like to check out the archives, as there's been some good ideas as to what's going on in these situations, and some suggestions, even if there's no magic solution.

Best wishes

Diz
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Date: Wed, May 19, 1999 at 09:19:16 (EDT)
From: BILL
Email: NONE
To: Diz
Subject: SERVICE AND ALL THAT!
Message:
Thanks Diiz!

I am the old Bill - too old in the tooth - but you are right, I am new to the Forum so, for you, the new BILL.

I think, at least for the moment anyway, that my wife is beyond hope - she is too engrossed with M. He can say nothing wrong, do nothing wrong. He is totally venerated and glued to that pedestal. In fact worse because she now has his bloody photographs all over the place.

As I think I have said earlier, I am a premie but not by choice or convinction but, for the sake of harmony, by necessity.

Thanks for your interest.

BILL (the new one I guess!)
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 09:28:04 (EDT)
From: KB
Email: None
To: Diz
Subject: SERVICE AND ALL THAT!
Message:
Hi Diz,
I am posting as KB from now on permenantly.
NO name changes anymore.
(famous last words)
bill b
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Date: Thurs, May 20, 1999 at 16:18:34 (EDT)
From: Inquirer
Email: None
To: KB
Subject: Hey, Bill. Has Navlata's DNA
Message:
been checked yet? Have any of those wild acusations been proved? An interested ex.
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Date: Fri, May 21, 1999 at 23:30:52 (EDT)
From: KB
Email: None
To: Inquirer
Subject: We still need a hair sample!
Message:
Hi there interested x.
Would you like a little satguru DNA?
We have some to spare.
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Date: Tues, May 18, 1999 at 08:21:48 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: anthginn@yahoo.com
To: Happy
Subject: To Happy
Message:
Hi Happy,

I just read your 'Journey' and really enjoyed it. Thanks.

Could you send me an email please?

Thanks again.

Anth.
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