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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 06:46:23 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: david.studio57@btinternet.com To: Everyone Subject: Down Warwickshire leafy lanes Message: I just got back from going to Coventry for my dear Mother's funeral and I found this charming anonymous email from a premie; 'You have not experience the truth, so you don't know what you are saying. I am sorry for you.' The fact is, I experienced more love and honesty at the funeral than I ever did at one of Maharaji's events. More openess and love between the grieving reletives than I ever did amongst premies. And the statement from the premie that I don't know the truth is surely a most damning reflection upon Maharaji, the revealer of truth because I followed him for eleven years, lived in his ashram for two and yet he STILL didn't reveal the truth to me. And me a sincere seeker! What hope the rest of the world! But this is the problem. Premies in their narrow closetted Maharaji view of the world, think they alone know anything of any validity. And they only number a few thousand in the whole world. As I wandered back leasurely from the funeral, driving through Warwickshire's beautiful countryside, stopping here to look at some sheep, stopping there to just look at the view and admire an ancient church or picturesque village; I was knocked out by the peaceful and idylic feeling that such places bring. No premies here, thank God, no masters or students but just lazy country life amongst the stupendous beauty of nature on a warm summer's day... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 09:07:28 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: I hope you are ok! Message: You sound like you have matters in hand. It's a hard thing when your mother dies. My sympathies to you and yours. Love, Gail Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 11:45:23 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Down Warwickshire leafy lanes Message: My condolences, David. I'm sorry to hear that. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 12:28:43 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: None To: Jim Subject: Down Warwickshire leafy lanes Message: Thanks guys. I found the funeral to be a good thing because all the friends and reletives grieved and had a good cry together. I found it necessary and there was a close bond felt there. As a definite post-premie I never deny such feelings of grief and when they are shared with other mourners, they are a great help. Life goes on and I'm planning on buying a camper van to get away from it all with the kids this summer. And maybe we'll check out the solar eclipse in Cornwall too, if we make it down that far. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 12:22:08 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Down Warwickshire leafy lanes Message: Hi Sir Dave, I don't know what to say except my heart goes out to you. Love, Mary M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 14:47:08 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Down Warwickshire leafy lanes Message: Dear David - My sympathy & condolences to you. I know it's a hard thing to lose a parent at any age - you truly get a sense of your own mortality. It does sound like the funeral was a healing experience, and I'm glad for that. Take care of yourself - Lots of love from Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 14:59:12 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: Sir Dave Subject: Down Warwickshire leafy lanes Message: Dear Dave, You have your feet firmly planted in what is really important. That has been apparent since I read the first post of yours that I saw and in the archives. Love, and honest caring for those in your life who mean someting to you. Anything beyond that is fluff. You know my thoughts and caring are with you and I am glad it was a good caring funeral and that the ride was peacful. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 21:05:37 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Down Warwickshire leafy lanes Message: Yes, Dave, my condolences to you also. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 00:39:50 (EDT)
From: Victoria Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Down Warwickshire leafy lanes Message: Dear Sir Dave, I don't know how to say it, but I'm very sorry to hear about your mom. I appreciate you and your presence on the forum. Love, Victoria Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 02:07:17 (EDT)
From: Liz Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Down Warwickshire leafy lanes Message: Dear Sir Dave, I was so sorry to hear about the death of your mum. Warwickshire sounds idyllic though. Made me wish I was living there. Take care or yourself and enjoy the camper with your children Love Liz, Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 02:21:08 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Down Warwickshire leafy lanes Message: Been there, done that. It's a tough one. Mine was pretty bad as I was thick into the cult at the time and my head was full of cult shit. I still regret how I handled it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 05:42:55 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave Email: None To: barney Subject: Down Warwickshire leafy lanes Message: Thanks for these further messages of sympathy and Barney, I really appreciate how you and other ex-prems feel if your parents died in your cult years. I was fortunate in that I had no obsticals in my way in being with both my parents at the end and I was glad about that. I know that Joe Whalen has expressed regret that he wasn't around his father when he died. Yes, that's tough one and not something you can just forget about. In such instances perhaps it helps to continue contact with the surviving close reletives and friends of the deceased. That certainly helps in my case. Yes, Warwickshire is a beautiful county and to wander through its lanes and villages is a great healer. You can drive, cycle or walk for miles without touching a main road and there's a surprise round every corner and a new adventure up ahead. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 13:15:20 (EDT)
From: Happy Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Down Warwickshire leafy lanes Message: My condolences and sympathy to you, sir David. I know what it feels to loose someone close to you. It is always tough, although you appear to be extraordinarily stable with your feet firmly on the ground. Your posts are really some of my absolute favourites here. All the best to you. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 16:42:13 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: holy family story Message: Sorry about your mum Sir David. As punishment for his bad behaviour, the lord of the universe shunned HIS mom for 17 years till she died and he never got to have a family cry. The boys at the funeral were still at odds and on the flight home raja ji laid into prem. What he said can only be guessed but raja did have the courage at that time to blast him. I heard from an instructor that prem asked raja on the flight home from burning mom on the pyre 'when you die will you be thankful for your life', and raja blasted him. I did hear that prem was shocked or stunned by raja ji's words. rawat found later that he did indeed have a vulnerability to missing his mom. Just a bit late. All that enlightenment about the importance of family briefly came crashing home. No mention of this late learning in his list of achievements on his web site. No shattered family deserved such a fate as justly as the rawat clan since they callously demanded the same shattered family from the rest of us. His kids never saw thier grandma. Neither did raja's kid. No playing -ring around the jayanti tree- or -hide the knowledge- or -beat the mahatma- or -scream at the devotee- or -launder the money- or -holy family- I hate you you hate me pride will keep us in misery, till one of us kicks the can, showing us a stupid clan. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 16:51:56 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: KB Subject: Roger, we got a keeper Message: That's super interesting, Bill. How do you know all this shit anyway? 'Ring around the Jayanti tree' is right. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Jun 21, 1999 at 13:37:29 (EDT)
From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: Down Warwickshire leafy lanes Message: Dave, I am sorry to hear of your loss; please accept my condolences. It sounds as if the funeral was done well and was a healing event. Know that you and yours are in my prayers. Michael Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 06:38:25 (EDT)
From: CultBusterUK Email: None To: Everyone Subject: UK Event Message: It's at the Manchester Evening News Arena, Manchester, UK on 10th and 11th July. Admission is free but seat registration costs 25 GBP (40 USD). I was thinking of going but can't stomach paying 25 quid, and don't fancy pleading poverty. Anyone up for it? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 07:24:15 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: CultBusterUK Subject: UK Event Message: It's not exactly free then, is it? Can you imagine? Admission is free but seat registration costs 25 GBP (40 USD). Yup! Everyone will be really excited about the free admission. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 09:15:49 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Gail Subject: Hey Gail? Message: Now you've missed the Montreal event, don't you want to try here? Take some holidays, and we'll go there together! See you soon, jean-michel Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 16:57:18 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Hey JM Message: You're on! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 10:41:20 (EDT)
From: dv Email: None To: CultBusterUK Subject: UK Event Message: I think an effective action we could take is to drop 'ex-premie.org' cards all around the hall (don't get caught for littering). I was going to do this at the Miami program, but my work forced me to be elsewhere. We should have at least one ex at a program to surreptitiously leave cards all over the place- restrooms, seats, sales tables, etc. Also, there is always a nearby event for aspirants, and they can be intercepted as they walk back and forth to the main event. All they need to see is one phrase, whether on a poster or card, and I bet there will be a good 50% success rate. (Now there will be an emergency meeting of p's to discuss how to hide the aspirants!). I sat in a knowledge selection meeting a few programs back, and it was pathetic. Belkis comes in after the morning event in which m's speech was particularly boring (even to me and I was still a p at the time) and says: Wasn't that incredible? Every time he speaks, it just get more incredible!' The bullshit was deafening. I watched all these people, including 12 year olds, begging for knowledge and swearing they were watching videos three times a week after they got home from school. The level of ass kissing and crow gobbling in front that arrogant m clone was one of my first major drips. I told p's I attended the k selection, and they would say: OOOOHHHHH, WOOOOWWWW! How did you get to do that? Yeah right. You should see the money counting room. They count and count and count, while security goes through this extremely elaborate procedure to move the money out to a safe deposit box in a nearby hotel. This usually involves a keystone cop scene with two carloads of p's whipping through the streets doing their amateur security act. I talked to a nice fellow from England who was high up in security over there, who said none of them were allowed to participate in secuirty in the us at that program due to the bad blood between each country's team. M, you are not just the lotus, you are the whole stinking pond. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 11:10:11 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: dv Subject: UK Event Message: great post dv. What we need is a press package we can give to the media in each city where a program is to be held. I bet the media would eat it up. Does anyone know how to produce such a thing? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 00:43:23 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Gerry Subject: UK Event Message: Prees releases are simple affairs. A one page notice with a few lead points and a photo if you have one/two. M in his Krishna suit is a fine one along with a shot of his car/house or goofily adulating premies. 'American boy makes good' The press release needs to not make accusations (there is a way toword it so it gives one persons understanding) and needs a phone number for the newspaper to call to get more info. In which case ther would need to be more pages available for their paper after the event. It is good to get a copy of the tabloids and see how the articles are written. But I am no hexpert Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 12:54:20 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: dv Subject: UK Event Message: Great post, dv. It sounds familiar to the way I reacted to things years ago. Belkis comes in after the morning event in which m's speech was particularly boring (even to me and I was still a p at the time) and says: Wasn't that incredible? Every time he speaks, it just get more incredible!' The bullshit was deafening. I can remember just zoning out (sometimes even falling asleep) as Maharaji gave some particularly repetitive, stupid, boring, and sometimes very lengthy satsang at some program. But then the initiators would get up the next day, or when we returned to our communities and say how incredible it all was. It was so easy to convince yourself that it was true. We are such suggestible creatures, especially if you want something to be true anyway, and espeically if you have been conditioned to disregard your own critical thought processes. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 13:19:39 (EDT)
From: Richard Email: None To: dv Subject: Same old stuff... Message: This usually involves a keystone cop scene with two carloads of p's whipping through the streets doing their amateur security act. I talked to a nice fellow from England who was high up in security over there, who said none of them were allowed to participate in secuirty in the us at that program due to the bad blood between each country's team. So nothing ever really changes. It seems like only yesterday that I was doing that in Rome. The animosity goes way back to the Pie in the Face incident when Raja Ji flew a plane load of English security over to the states to take over. Maharaji encourages this separatist shit to keep everyone on their toes (or their knees). Anyone who believes that M has any feelings at all for premies should read this shit and weep. regards Richard Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 12:56:24 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: CultBusterUK Subject: Seat Registration? Message: 'Seat registration' costs $40? What is that about? I thought these things were supposed to be free. What happens if you show up the day of the event without a 'seat registration?' Will you still get a seat? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 04:01:44 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: JW Subject: M's Gift? Message: What happens if you show up the day of the event without a 'seat registration? It depends how many free seats are left! Then make some calculation: how many seats in Manchester? 2,000? 2,000 x 40 = 80,000 $ Expenses for the conference: renting of the hall and special equipment? 10,000 $ maximum. (Anybody to check the cost for renting the hall?) All other expenses (M's residence) are paid by premies directly. Profit? $ 70,000 in UK (+ satellite link's profit, don't forget!) + all donations at the event: $ 100,000? 200,000? (that goes directly to m) Where goes EV's profit? EV UK will get a huge invoice from Visions and/or one of these other companies, as 'copyrights' for the 'special videos' shown before and after m's discourse, and expenses for the US consultants' team managing the event (one of these 'private' companies). And guess who's going to get a 65,000 $ gift? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Mon, Jun 21, 1999 at 06:21:08 (EDT)
From: CultbusterUK Email: None To: JW Subject: Seat Registration? Message: Yes, you can get in without paying but you have to go to the registration desk and plead poverty. Not a big problem so I might go on the Saturday. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 00:17:52 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Rob Subject: Dear Rob: Message: I am posting this note on the forum because you have cancelled your e-mail. I'm sure you meant well in your dealings with me. If what you said to the PWKs is true, this is very sad indeed. Why is Maharaji scared? If you keep posting on the net, you are revealing the paranoia. In turn, more will leave. He needs people like you. If you keep reading, you may leave. You really are a great guy. You have invested a lot of yourself in Maharaji. You have a lot of faith. Even you admitted your doubt about the LOTU thing, yet you get a message and you jump. It is very painful to look at the whole picture. I have a huge hole in my life now. I miss that faith, the euphoria, etc. but I can never go back. You said I can deal with it because I have that strength, a lot more than people realize. I know you do, but perhaps you are putting it in the wrong direction. I believe you spoke to me in good faith. I think you fully intended to walk me through the front door. You found out you couldn't. You wrote that last e-mail to gently dissuade me from going. Come on! Would you go for it under those circumstances. I am a human being with the need to increase my dignity. God knows I denigrated myself many, many, many times over Maharaji. Remember when he told us to be fools for him--then that guy got up and danced like a puppet. Well, I have been a fool. I didn't get any closer. I have become conditioned via this belief system to want euphoria all the time. Always searching for the bliss. We both know that a constant state of this is impossible. I believe that RT stated our position very clearly. Oh to sway mindless with our brothers and sisters for over three minutes. It's nice to believe that we have a Maharaji who is looking out for us. It is nice to believe that the end of this life is not the end. It is nice to have a purpose. It is a great deal more comforting than the stark reality of is this is all there is. Maharaji is stuck in this too. He knows he's made some boo boos. He has tried to correct them, but he can't help himself. He is just as addicted to the whole thing as the people who follow him. If nothing else, I wish you would read The Guru Papers. This book clearly explains the whole phenomenon. Please make sure you know its true before continuing. If it is a lie, it would be a shame to waste even one more moment enslaved to this master and belief system. I do wish you all the best. Love, Gail Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 01:17:28 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: Gail Subject: to Gail Message: It was good to read your post to Rob. He was a good person, you could tell. It was nice in hindsight to have someone do goodnatured and funny and dare I say it smart. I will miss him in a way. Your post spoke straight from your own heart and I am making a wish that he takes it to heart. Rob, if you are reading this, Gails post is a true gift for you . You would not easiy find a premie that can love like that.. Thier hearts are overshadowed by the Menace. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 01:22:12 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Gail Subject: who was that masked man? Message: Much remains to be explained with the departure of our friend Rob. 1. Who was he? 2. Where was he from? Didn't he allude Australia? I thought I also heard Florida. 3. Was he a premie plant? 4. His email is closed out. 5. Technical information that I have shows that Rob knew some sneaky things about getting around on the web. Does anyone know if America On Line (AOL) provides service outside of North America (related to Question #2.) From now on newcomers are gonna get some questions from me and they'd better have some good answers or some hard currency. This whole web thing is a web of sneakiness and it's doing a number on me. Take a look at me with this shot from my webcam. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 03:39:29 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: barney Subject: Hey Barney? Message: Does anyone know if America On Line (AOL) provides service outside of North America (related to Question #2.) AOL provides services in most countries. If you've got an AOL account, you can connect from outside the country you usually live. Like if I'm living in France, and travel abroad, I can use my account in any country AOL provides services. This is mandatory for people who travel a lot, businessmen, etc. Otherwise you can't get your email, and you can't live anymore if you're addicted! Same thing for most intl providers: Compuserve, etc. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 07:44:05 (EDT)
From: Elfie Email: None To: barney Subject: who was that masked man? Message: It's very sneaky to proxy via AOL. Albeit, they do not encourage it. Elfie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 12:29:50 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: barney Subject: who was that masked man? Message: Hi Barney & all - I tend to take people at face value on the forum unless it becomes obvious that that is not true. This usually works pretty well, honestly. I don't have any real doubts about Rob - in fact, I think he probably DID get the message to stay off the forum (it reminds me of what happened to the original premie.org site a while back, to tell you the truth). BTW, Rob said he lived in Boca Raton, Florida but was originally from Scotland. He also said he used a proxy server. If he was told to stay off the site, I can understand why he cancelled his e-mail, since he had given it to several people here. Take care, Katie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 13:04:03 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: barney Subject: who was that masked man? Message: 1. Who was he? Who knows? Most premies who show up here, other than CHP and CD, are incredibily paranoid about revealing their identities. And I don't think it's because they fear ex-premies. It's premies and teh organization that they are worried about, in my opinion. I'm sure Rob was no different. 2. Where was he from? Didn't he allude Australia? I thought I also heard Florida. I saw him mention Scotland. Maybe he was a transplanted Scot living in Florida. 3. Was he a premie plant? I don't think so. I doubt there are 'premie plants' in any organized sense. I do believe that individual premies take on guises to try to make some point or another, but in both cases they fail miserably and tend to get caught in their own web of trying to sound 'reasonable.' It falls apart really quickly, as Rob demonstrated. Does anyone know if America On Line (AOL) provides service outside of North America (related to Question #2.) Yes. I think they are worldwide and getting bigger all the time. Thanks for the picture, Barney. You never looked better. :) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 15:00:00 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Barney Subject: who was that masked man? Message: I recall him saying he lived in Boca Raton too. And I also recall that he was from Scotland originally -- there was that thread with the discussion of Glenfiddich (sp?) scotch where this came up. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 15:17:08 (EDT)
From: fred Email: None To: barney Subject: who was that masked man? Message: Can anyone dig up the first post that Rob made to this forum? I remember thinking that he wasn't being sincere at the time, because he made a comment like 'I'm new to this internet posting thing' and then went on to demonstrate familiarity with the net in his post and subsequent posts.. It seemed to me like he had a definate agenda, maybe the tax business. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 16:52:32 (EDT)
From: cp Email: None To: fred Subject: who was that masked man? Message: Fred . Godd point. Sure but he was just a big clumsy scot who had no connections and lived a life of a social recluse , but did see Raj and actually did talk to M. I wonder if the post about Whiskey he sent to Barney was true. would that mean that he had the physical address of barney? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sun, Jun 20, 1999 at 02:54:54 (EDT)
From: barney Email: barney@ex-premie.org To: cp Subject: my phyiscal address Message: Don't disclose it, but I missed this. If he did mention a specific city or state could you email that to me. Thanks, cp Besides, everyone knows that I winter in Atlanta and summer in Idaho. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 17:44:42 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: fred Subject: The Watcher or Watcher Message: Hi Fred, Rob first posted (as far as I know) here as 'The Watcher' in a thread dealing with depression or treatment. I'm not certain which one of us ladies was depressed at the time;-). I am certain I was in on the thread and Gail perhaps. He wove his way in via the gals. After that he dropped 'The Watcher' and 'the guys' of course taking their cue, began questioning him. He tried, almost successful, to portray himself as a compassionate, carrying, blah, blah, blah..... He slipped up in three or four 'reactive posts'. He was quick on the recovery of his fumbles. For the ladies he was a 'mysterious Scots man' and for the gents 'a fine, burly, liquor swilling man fond of a lap dance now and then'. But, being politically correct you can reverse the last sentence if appropriate;-o So, look for 'The Watcher'. |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 13:24:45 (EDT)
From: Richard Email: None To: Gail Subject: Amen to that (nt) Message: Amen to that Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 23:26:12 (EDT)
From: Peter Howie Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Creating your own agya Message: I though Rob's post captured something of what happened a lot in the premie world. Someone hears something they are sure is correct and pass it on as agya. Someone interprets something they have heard and pass it along as agya. This type of 'agya' was hard to resist and hard to follow. It tended to create a kind of closing in of the world. I.e 'It could be right - and I want to do the right thing - so I'd better give it a go' so a whole host of meaningless rules became born and sometimes were never laid to rest - until and unless a person leaves the premie world. I am as aware as many of you about my own contribution to this process in the past. Oddly enough I am curious in a perverse way about the 'truth' or otherwise of Rob's assertion. Ethically I think it is quite bizarre if Rob is in any way correct. I think some of my response is because it is the closest I have been to Maharaji for many years. (The notion of receiving agya over the internet). Which is pretty odd, getting that feeling on the ex-premie forum. Cheers for now Peter Howie Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 05:02:49 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Peter Howie Subject: on agya Message: Everything (officially) 'happening' around m, in EV (and other organizations) and related to 'knowledge', is part of an authoritarian/hierarchical system. 'Knowledge' is not a system where individuals are free. Anybody needing more proof? Why does m care so much for what premies do and say about him? OK maybe he's right to care, like anybody else about what's being said about him. But why trying to control this? Isn't this what's creating the cult? IF m didn't want this control, there wouldn't be any. He is definitely in a position and has enough authority to enforce this. What is he trying to hide anyway? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 05:17:13 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: M's control trip Message: I think that the core of this is that m definitely needs to have people obeying him. He can't avoid it. That's HIS own conditioning. Thus his servants, his 'full-time' instructors, his devoted organizations, etc. I guess this is the source of all this phenomenon. It doesn't make any sense any other way. « …. But then comes service, because there’s satsang, service and meditation. That’s meditation, and then comes service. Now what is the part ? Why do we even need to do service ? I mean, where does service fit in ? And it’s very fine. It’s very beautiful, but very fine. Because the whole idea, the whole basis, is on surrender. And if we really and truly surrender ourselves, then what do we become ? We become a servant. And it’s not a servant of Mr Joe Blow ; but it’s servant of Lord, servant of Almighty. If we surrender ourselves, then we become servant, and when we become servant, then we can do service. And if we have realized, it just all fits, see ? » Excerpt of Guru Maharaj Ji’s Satsang in Lisbon, Portugal, may 14, 1976. In « Elan Vital », published by Divine Light Mission, Denver, Colorado. Volume II Issue 2, Summer 1978 M never changed his line since the beginning. He doesn't say this this way in front of everybody anymore, that's all. But this is still the feeling you get in the organizors meeting he has once or twice a year. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 09:49:14 (EDT)
From: Orlando Email: None To: Peter Howie Subject: one big hoax Message: Hi i am an ex-poster premie and i just wanted to clarify something for everyone here: this 'agya' not to participate on this forum is clearly and obviously a hoax. really. no kidding. i am very surprised that people actually believe this could be true. this is such an old-fashion type of joke too! isn't there a way that Barney could check where this message is coming from? Also, just in case someone wonders, this is the only post a want to make. Not because i was forbidden to post but because, unfortunately, i no longer trust that confidentiality is respected (not for premies anyways). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 10:46:47 (EDT)
From: Brian Email: katabria@apk.net To: Orlando Subject: Huh??? Message: isn't there a way that Barney could check where this message is coming from? Also, just in case someone wonders, this is the only post a want to make. Not because i was forbidden to post but because, unfortunately, i no longer trust that confidentiality is respected (not for premies anyways). What is THIS supposed to mean? You either believe that the webmaster can determine who you are (in which case why ask about Barney's ability?) or you don't believe this. So what's with the blathering about confidentiality? I was asked where you were posting from a few months back (when you were more active here), and I declined to say. Now I'm asking what you're talking about here. I suppose you could also decline to say... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 11:13:47 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: Brian Subject: Huh??? Message: I love it. Orlando says this is his/her last post but there is no agya for premiedroids to stay off this site. Yeah, right, Orlando. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 11:18:30 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: gerry Subject: No 'agya': intimidation Message: Even if Rob's post is a hoax, what does all this show? I know what Marc Levitte told me personnaly: I was there (having a pizza with him). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 11:17:48 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Orlando Subject: Huh??? Message: As a matter of fact, Orlando, I asked Brian where you were posting from. I was wondering why you were being so hateful toward me. Brian refused to tell. Gail BTW, hi there. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 14:05:49 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Orlando Subject: Your Privacy is Respected Message: Orlando, Like you I am always concerned about privacy on the Internet. Even with years and years of computer experience I don't know everything about security and privacy, but I do know that there is very little that anyone can know about me. However, what I can tell you is that we really have no way of knowing who anybody is on the Internet and especially here at Ex-Premie.Org. At best, if your Internet Service Provider (ISP) is in some small town it might be assumed that you live within calling range of it. If your ISP is America Online (AOL) or one of the big providers there is very little to assume. The only way to find out who somebody is would be in the event of a major crime and the FBI became involved. For example, in the Melissa email virus case a few months ago the FBI traced the introduction of the virus onto the net down to the phone line that was used. As for verifying Rob's message there is really no way. The only way to even come close to really knowing whom you are dealing with is through the use of Secured Certificates (used in online banking and webstores) and/or Digitally Signed and Encrypted email. Other than that the Internet is really based on faith and the caveat is always buyer beware. Again, there is really very, very little we know about anyone posting on the Forum and privacy for everyone is always given the utmost respect. Just like you, I don't want anyone to know who I really am. I don't want problems and you don't want problems. If you want to see trouble then check out the newsgroup alt.religion.scientology. That is one ugly scene that includes violence. I hope and believe that none of us here at Ex-Premie.Org wants to go there. The official Ex-Premie.Org policy is that we do not accept or condone violence or any illegal activities! And any such posting on the Forum is reason for immediate and permanent removal. Remember, my butt is on the line here. Things to protect your privacy: 1. Don't give out your email address. Use a HotMail address if you need to provide an email address. 2. Don't give out your home address or phone number. 3. Don't reveal too many details about yourself. Thanks Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 14:48:45 (EDT)
From: Orlando Email: None To: barney Subject: okay, one last last post Message: Thanks Barney, my comment about confidentiality was not related to your work or Brian's. I KNOW you guys always respected everyone's privacy. But unfortunately, you do not control what everyone else does on this site. Here are 3 different incidents that occured here quite recently: * Gail had promised Rob, BY E MAIL, that she would totally respect confidentiality if he would give here some info on how to get in a program. He gave her that info and she repeated the whole e-mail on this site. i consider this a betrayal of trust. It is after this incident, by the way, that Rob stopped posting. *someone posted on CD's site, which is not secure. someone HERE did the research on the person's server, and POSTED IT HERE * MaryM suggested to me that she would direct the FBI to me in the investigation of a missing person . This is when I decided i would stop posting here. I might be paranoid, but i have no way of knowing what are anyone's intention here. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 15:14:42 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Orlando Subject: I know what you mean, Orlando Message: Consider this: other premies have also e-mailed me and phoned me. I did not print or divulge any of that info. In Rob's case, he indicated that he would get me into Montreal. I had an entirely different impression of his gesture. After I went to the trouble to take the day off, I finally got his e-mail. I'm sure you saw it. How ridiculous! It reads like a joke and you know it. There is nothing particularly secretive about his lastt e-mail. Note that I did not reveal his earlier stuff which was grounded in some kind of reality. Of course, as he stated, he was totally joking about the last line. The thing I'm surprised about is that he wasn't wondering about the paranoia himself. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 16:14:03 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Orlando Subject: FBI - Wrong ;-) Ghillie Message: Hi Orlando, You just cleared up an issue I was wondering about... why you left. I thought it was my gooey, smegma line! I did not suggest that I was going to send the FBI to you regarding a missing person. If you go back over the threads you will find that was when Commish was trying to track down a missing person. I believe Jim, yourself, and I got into a discussion on who Commish is. And being a stream of consciousness thinker... I started to wonder what DLM did with dead, pauper, ashram premies bodies if they died doing service to Maharaji formerly known as The Lord of The Universe. Never did get an answer on that. So rest easy Orlando. I have not contacted the FBI concerning the missing person/premie Commish was trying to track down. On the other hand, I can't guarantee that Commish wasn't watching the exchanges.... who knows? Maybe he contacted the CIA, FBI, OSHA, JCAHO, HTTP, URL, YMCA, DECA, DUO, EV, DOW, DLM, VI, UN, G16......... and watch out for those 'Ghillies'. Try watching emoticons after sentences. These require a bit of discernment but hey, it ain't pig latin! Best to you, Mary M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 05:33:49 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Orlando Subject: Hey Orlando? Message: * Gail had promised Rob, BY E MAIL, that she would totally respect confidentiality if he would give here some info on how to get in a program. He gave her that info and she repeated the whole e-mail on this site You and I and any intelligent premie know how to get in a program when you're not registered. Rob's advice was totally phoney, and everybody knows it, you included. I'll tell you what everybody knows: you need at least a friend in the place, who's registered. He'll get in, and then go back outside with somebody else's pass to let you in with that other pass (if there is a pass system). If no pass is needed, then he'll find where empty seats are, give you their location and/or # if they're using numbers, and then go out, let you know, and enter again with you. Simple, and it usually works. Now there may be ushers in each row checking who is who with their big lists. If you enter at the last minute, or 5 minutes before, they won't risk making trouble taking you out of your seat. Just say it's yours, that you've exchanged it with the other person seated there because she couldn't see or hear well. That's it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Sat, Jun 19, 1999 at 06:22:33 (EDT)
From: nigel Email: nigel@redcrow.demon.co.uk To: Orlando Subject: No hoax. Rob was genuine Message: Hi Orlando, I misread your description of yourself ('ex-poster premie') and thought for moment you had written 'ex-premie poster'. That'll be the day, I guess. I am sure you will be very welcome when the penny finally drops... I am surprised you are so keen on certainties when you also still follow Marge Rawat - a man about whose past and present you either know or care very little. However, there is a very good scientific method you can use when you cannot be 100% certain of a fact, and that is to use probabilities. Eliminate the most unlikely explanations by testing the logical inferences that you would have to draw from them. For instance, was Rob even a premie in the first place? Well if he wasn't it is difficult to think of a reason why anyone using that name would have engaged quite so vigorously in the discussions here over the past month. Not even an undercover ex would want to publish travel and ticketing details for premies travelling to Montreal. Was that the real Rob posting the 'exit the site' message? If it wasn't, the original Rob would have shown up by now with a disclaimer. Did his facts really come 'from the top?' Well, you can be sure that by now other well-placed forum regulars like CD will have checked with their own contacts, and if Maharaji hadn't issued the message would have posted something in denial (or in de Ganges '72). A hoax could never prompt the mass exodus we have just witnessed. Why don't you check out the facts, Orlando? - assuming there is somebody out there you do trust. If M wanted premies to stop posting, how else would he do it? The effect of expressing his wishes via the communities, the web, or at a live event would be to attract attention to ex-premie.org - something he cannot afford to risk because of the danger of either premies with doubts or new aspirants discovering this site for the first time. And believe me, if they heard any kind of 'stay away' message, their first response would be to check us out pretty damn pronto ('there's no smoke without fire...' ), imagining facts even more damning than anything that even appears here. I mean, there would have to be, wouldn't there? There's no way the Lord they know and love would otherwise want to stifle free expression or rational debate... So the most effective means of damage limitation, at least in the short-term, would be to use this forum so that only premies already reading or posting will see it. In the long term, however, the damage caused from the simple truths expressed here will be irreparable. The cult is already doomed, IMO. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 13:14:53 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Peter Howie Subject: Ineffective Directions Message: If Maharaji is telling people to stay away from this site, he is even more ignorant than I thought. If you tell people to stay away from something, many will immediately go there to see what it's all about. There are a few 'hardcore' types who might feel they would turn into a pillar of salt if they disobey M's wishes, and would stay away completely, but most wouldn't feel that way. The only thing that kind of 'agya' would do is maybe reduce the number of premies who would POST on the forum, not the number who READ the forum. That's because premies would be more paranoid than they already are that someone within the cult will find out it is they who are posting and they will be looked down on by other cultists and there is a fear it would eventually get back to BM himself. This is how the premie world works. You don't want to get on the shitlist in the organization, otherwise whatever status you have is diminished. You might not get good 'service' or a good seat anymore. You might not be thought of as an unstanding premie in the cult world. This group peer pressure is the most powerful element. I think most premies know that M himself couldn't give a rat's ass what most premies do, what they experience, or whether they are happy or not, as long as they continue to give money. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 22:30:03 (EDT)
From: gregg Email: binduesque@yahoo.com To: Everyone Subject: Work, Leisure, Irony Message: During the last two months I have been delightfully involved with this unique site. No more. See, I'm on vacation. Working, with 150 teenage charges, I had plenty of planning time and lunch time to fritter away on the web. (Then I'd sneak away on Saturday to grade papers.) Now, on summer vacation, I have ONE child to watch, and I am totally unable to snack on this site. What is work? (Did you think Tom Sawyer and the fence? Or, God forbid, Agya?) Anyway, love, and regret at giving up, mostly, my new addiction, you. Gregg Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 22:43:11 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: gregg Subject: Work, Leisure, Irony Message: Dear Gregg, Enjoy you child and your summer, stop by when you can. See you in the fall!? Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 00:38:14 (EDT)
From: gregg Email: None To: Robyn Subject: Work, Leisure, Irony Message: Yep. I'll stop by and chat when I can. A woman's work is never done. (A little role reversal in my house...after all those vegetarian years, my wife cooks the meat; I wash the dishes and take care of the kid!) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 08:21:11 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: gregg Subject: Work, Leisure, Irony Message: You will find time. See you next week! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 08:46:21 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: gregg Subject: Work, Leisure, Irony Message: Yes, you will have time, once you have found the forum, you never truly can leave, you see this forum has so much energy, so much power, it is like 3000 tons of rotten vegetables if you don't hang out here. I know what you mean about the consuming nature of kids. Working is far easier than staying home with children, but taking care of a child is the most important job EVER . Have a great summer! Love Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 13:18:17 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: gregg Subject: Work, Leisure, Irony Message: Gregg: Have a great Summer. I hope it's warmer where you are than it has been on the West Coast, where we have been in the deep freeze all year. I've really enjoyed your posts and your contributions to the forum. Take care. JW Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 14:48:30 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Gregg Subject: Work, Leisure, Irony Message: Gregg: Have a wonderful summer, Gregg! I've enjoyed our chats. Marianne Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 18:50:35 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: JW Subject: SF temps Message: Dear Joe, When I spoke with Jessica over Memorial Day weekend, it was almost 90 here and only 55 there! I said well maybe I shouldn't move, maybe there will be a climate change and I'll be right were I want to be, the winter would have to get LOTS warmer for that to be true though. :) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 18:01:06 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Everyone Subject: 28 yrs ago today M taught Message: the band to play. Yes, today, June 17, 1971, Guru Maharaj Ji came to the West to embark on his goldrush. Read all about it at Maharaji Enjoying His Life as HE uses up your life (ELK). Also, if you are having trouble understanding the Legal Terms at www.maharaji.com you might try this special Universal Language Version (Ignore any scripting error messages and be patient.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 21:47:48 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: barney Subject: 'My only purpose' Message: Hi Barney Holding my stomach I linked to elk and read the revisionist history of the ultimate ruler lord of the universe. He claimed at the time that his only purpose was to spread 'knowledge'. To what end? To enslave in his ashrams and in his dominating lord trip. To take all the money raised to 'feed shelter and clothe the world' and spend it only on himself. To prove to MOM that he was a successful god incarnate in spite of what SHE thought. To lie, decieve, and enlarge his narcissist meglomania. To destroy peoples lives while claiming the throne of god. To crown himself ultimate ruler of his 'creatures', the hapless 'lovers' of a lie posing as truth. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 01:36:24 (EDT)
From: Lurking on ELK Email: None To: barney Subject: situations of our lives Message: Over on Maharaji Enjoying His Life on the Montreal link under the What's New comes this quote: He said that the simplicity we need is within us and is not to be found in the situations of our lives, which can be so complicated. Ok, sure, yeah, yeah. Maybe there's some validity in this, but I see the same old, same old from Maharaji that is an effort to stifle people's determination regarding their own efforts in steering the course of their lives. Of course, bad things happen to good people and blah, blah, blah. Yes, the damn message remains the same after 28 years of Maharaji's masquerade as Lord of the Universe: Your lives don't mean shit. Interesting to note that Maharaji is quite particular about his own personal situation where everything, but everything MUST be perfect and his ludicrous lifestyle is maintained and sustained by dozens and dozens of real people waiting hand and foot on him and by thousands of other suckers sending him their money. God, I hate going to ELK and any of Maharaji's sites. It's all so lame and mindless (the ultimate goal!) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 10:16:01 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Lurking on ELK Subject: excellent point (whoever ur) Message: So true, so true, so true. Nothing much to add except it will be a sweet and just relief to know that the IRS adds to the complexities of his life situation a bit. If there's a God .... (well, I can pretend too, can't I?) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 14:11:52 (EDT)
From: you know who I am Email: None To: Jim Subject: excellent point (whoever ur) Message: I'm a regular, but my paranoia meter goes up when I'm over at any of Maharaji's friendly pages. With all the Mensa brains EV has they might be able to make a connection or two. ;-} I believe that J-M said something about Maharaji and security and controlling the premies that goes well with this point where Maharaji is very much concerned with controlling his little situation. He is no doubt obessed with his situation. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 20:49:50 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Lurking on ELK Subject: situations of our lives Message: Yes your right, all the 'service' is to make things 'smooth' which means perfect like the Queen travels. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 16:54:08 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Premie music - Entelechy Message: Here's another one Innerwindow with a debut CD entitled Entelechy, a phrase made popular by Maharaji in the 90's and now endearingly repeated and repeated by premies worldwide. The dead giveaway is in the Credits with the ubiquitous Maharaji plug. This page also has names of people who might be familiar to you. Can you imagine what it's like to have Maharaji as your sole supplier of intellectual and cultural stimulation? Only when Maharaji mentions something as being good then it becomes acceptable (e.g. the Internet and high tech gadgets.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 17:04:43 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: barney Subject: Pixel Perfect Master Message: HA HA HA - Maharaji's new title - Master of the Digital Telemarketers;-) Don't forget to click on the 'Journey is the Destination' link on the credits page;-) M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 21:55:47 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: barney Subject: where is the wedding ring? Message: On that guys fingers there is no wedding ring. WHo is he singing to? How old does he have to get to stop fantasizing about 'love'? Songwriters license to pretend? It was repulsive to see the 'childrens charity' advertised on that page. rawat took ALL the money that was raised for DUO to feed clothe and shelter -the world- and spent it only on himself. Not ONE child got a damn cent. NO ONE got any food shelter or clothing. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 23:06:06 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: KB Subject: Remember this charitable act Message: of Maharaji's. Maharaji sent some children from the Kissimmee event to Disney World. He personally paid for the children when the parents were out of cash. That's charity!!!!!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 07:47:31 (EDT)
From: Mary Email: None To: Gail Subject: Remember this charitable act Message: Gail, It was only PAM's or Friends of PAMS children that got to go. Oh, and some of the friends of PAMS wormed their way up by taking credit for the 'Service of Others'. Love, Mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 10:40:19 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: Everyone Subject: An article from last year Message: This article appeared in the Daily Mail (a British daily) on Tuesday July 14th 1998. Funnily enough it is the same paper that Jonathan Cainer does star signs for. Headline: 25 years ago a spiritual leader addressed a mass gathering of his followers on the subject of …er ice cream. MONICA PORTER recalls that tubby Lord of the Universe, Maharaji. The Guru Maharaji had a thoughtful message for his hordes of devotees gathered at the Divine Light festival at Alexandra Palace, North London. He told them:'You can go to dozens of ice cream parlours and choose from hundreds of varieties, but you must find the one that suits you best. It's the same with religion'. The ice-cream analogy was appropriate for the guru, a fat 17-year-old who clearly gorged himself on the stuff. Followers were forbidden to smoke, drink, use drugs or have sex. They were however, allowed to donate money to his sect. There were collection boxes all over Ally Pally, and for those who had come from abroad, money changing facilities were thoughtfully provided. The souvenir did a roaring trade in brass-coloured models of the guru: a snip at 85p. Many followers gave al their spare money to the Divine Light organisation so it could spread the message of peace, refusing t o believe they were merely subsidising their leader, who had a vast estate in California next door to Paul Getty, and a fleet of luxury cars. Joe, 19, from Dublin, donated up to £3 a week, He said:'I've given up smoking pot and drinking - I'd never have done that for Jesus'. Former teacher Lizzie Conquest, 26, gave up sex: 'I don't have sexual relationships. They take down my level of consciousness and drag me away from God'. The Indian-based sect had 6000 members in Britain at that time, for whom Maharaji was 'Lord of the Universe'. But in 1975, his angry mother Mataji- the movement's ultimate authority-tried to oust him for ultimate materialism and 'encouraging his devotees to eat meat, drink alcohol and have sex'. Oh dear, He remained in power, however, and went on to get even richer and fatter. But he no longer comes to Britain. The Divine Light Mission here has been superseded by a slew of other loony cults. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 11:49:30 (EDT)
From: CultBusterUK Email: None To: Jethro Subject: An article from last year Message: Have you, or did anyone, contact the writer to tell her that M is still around, does visit Britain, and that Cainer writes large personal cheques each month directly for M? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 11:55:31 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: CultBusterUK Subject: Great idea! Message: Have you, or did anyone, contact the writer to tell her that M is still around, does visit Britain, and that Cainer writes large personal cheques each month directly for M? (my emphasis) Go for it, CBUK. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 14:09:02 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: CultBusterUK Subject: An article from last year Message: I have tried to speak with her a few times, but unsucessfully. I was curious as to whether she knew of Jonathan's involvement and if he knew about the article(I doubt that he reads the paper). Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 14:11:23 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: anyone Subject: PS the article was by....... Message: Monica Porter and her phine number at the paper is 0171-938-6000(London UK) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 22:00:43 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: Jethro Subject: tabloids love dirt Message: I am sure the british tabloids would LOVE to get a handle on this tale. A project for some of her majesty's ex's Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 14:12:06 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Jethro Subject: An article from last year Message: Some time ago I did a Nexis search and found a response to the article you posted (letter to the editor) from Glenn Whittaker saying that the article was wrong and unfair, but I could never find the actual article. Thanks for posting it. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 14:16:13 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: JW Subject: An article from last year Message: I actually had the article some time(Hamzen told me about it), but I lost it then found it again today...know warrimean. I never saw Glen's response...well now is his chance to respond again. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 14:38:07 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: Jethro Subject: An article from last year Message: Is Glen the same person in the LOTU film who says at the very end, something about a flower from the garland of the LOTU? He had this silly giggliness about him. I was at the big affair and was bored to tears. I couldn't wait to get the hell out of there. That festival effectively ended the trip for me. I never saw the Boss again and rarely spoke to another premie. I think I tried to meditate a few times afterwards, but it over for me at Millenium. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 16:20:48 (EDT)
From: Roger Big 3rd Grader Email: None To: JW Subject: JW, search Nexis again? Message: JW, Can you do me a big favor? Can you search Nexis again for the letter to the editor from Glenn Whittaker? Finding it in the Forum archives is a rather difficult task and would take me hours. I'd like to put the two together and put them here or House of Maharaji Drek. thanks Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 17:26:15 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Roger Big 3rd Grader Subject: Sorry, Wrong Article Message: I looked it up again and Glen Whittaker wrote a 'weekend' letter to an article written in the Guardian (London) called 'When Spirituality is a Flash in the Pan.' Glen's letter is dated January 7, 1995 as follows: We would like to correct the false impression given of Maharaji in CJ Stone's article (When Spirituality Is A Flash In The Pan, December 3). Away from the glare of publicity he attracted in the early Seventies, Maharaji is still travelling the world, speaking and teaching on the subject of an inner experience and contentment. People of every race, religion and nationality in over 90 countries testify to the benefits of his teaching have conferred. There has never been any question raised about his personal integrity and behaviour and it is scurrilous for CJ Stone to cast such totally unfounded aspersions. Maharaji never makes, and has never made, any charge for what he has to offer. Glen Whittaker Elan Vital, Hove Glen is responding to a December 3, 1994 article by CJ Stone in the Guardian, which I couldn't find on Nexus. Not Glen's neat passive-voice defense of his lord and master. 'NEVER' any question raised about his personal integrity and behaviour. Glen, where have you been? Under a rock? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 17:39:57 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: JW Subject: I'll say! Message: JW: Obviously the presence of this site makes most of what he said moot, does it not? :-) Actually, I'm wrong. Moot isn't the proper word, it's LIAR! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 10:22:11 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Confirming the Agya Message: Surely there must be some way we can confirm Rob's report. If Maharaji really did order his mind slaves to stay off this site he'd want the word to get out in no uncertain terms, don't you think? Does anyone know any premies who'd be willing to seek some confirmation about this? I think it'd be really great to post Maharaji's warning right up front so there's no misunderstanding. Personally, while it's fun arguing with these flat-earthers I wouldn't mind that much if the fun stopped and we moved on -- sorry, I moved on to more measured discourse and avoided this long embroilments. Trtuh is, I just get completely fascinated by the premie evasions. Not from dummies like William or Shp so much. And certainly not from ciphers like Cat. He does nothing for me. But otherwise intelligent creeps like Sandra and Rob always capture my interest. I like watching people walk tightropes I guess. So, anyway, if M stops these guys from playing this game it wouldn't be such a bad thing. We could all still do what we're doing otherwise, debrief, fill in the picture, laugh at it and ourselves, philosophize together, salve a few wounds such as they are. And, of course, keep a light in the window for any new refugees from Maharaji's World. But how can we confirm this anyway? Ideas? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 11:49:37 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: Jim Subject: verification in time Message: Hey, why don't you email the perfect hamster? SHP seemed to think he would reply. Maybe Jim you will get an answer blowing in the wind? But seriously, maybe we need a Malibu Mole? I think that Rob got a phone call from a muckity muck telling him to cease and desist. I doubt there will be any verifying it until someone who has recieved similar word becomes an ex...so we will find out...people usually do come to their senses. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 12:14:45 (EDT)
From: Powerman Email: None To: Jim Subject: Confirming the Agya Message: I think Rob made the whole thing up. Think about it... if he received those instructions, would he then immediately post and say so? Wouldn't he just simply cease and desist, or at most, just bow out giving no reason. After all, a bright guy like Rob knows who's buttering his bread. No, Rob knew he would be fanning the flames. Flames he sees as delusionary. He's just pissed he got his ass whupped here and wanted some payback. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 19:21:23 (EDT)
From: William Email: None To: Jim Subject: Confirming the Agya Message: Hey Jim, why don't you make up a warning and post it? William Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 19:48:35 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: William Subject: I don't do service Message: Hey Jim, why don't you make up a warning and post it? William, Thanks for that but: a) how do I know Maharaji's really given this Agya? and: b) who'd believe me anyway? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 20:02:45 (EDT)
From: William Email: None To: Jim Subject: I don't do service Message: No tellin' Jimmy. William Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 21:52:21 (EDT)
From: William Email: None To: Jim Subject: Confirming the Agya Message: You're amusing Jim. Aren't you the lawyer who flunked out of law school because you can't spell? William Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 22:00:41 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: William Subject: Boring...... Message: You're amusing Jim. Aren't you the lawyer who flunked out of law school because you can't spell? That's really harsh, William. Easy now. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 22:12:35 (EDT)
From: William Email: None To: Jim Subject: Boring...... Message: Well I'm bored myself Jim. Hoping I could stir the pot alittle and bring it to a boil before I turn in. You're no fun tonight Jim. G'night. William Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 07:55:22 (EDT)
From: 123 Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Q & A : M's WebSite!!! Message: Maharaji does not recommend any particular lifestyle or religion. ___________________________________________________________ His teachings are independent of lifestyle and religion. __________++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++______________ That is what m has on his WebSite! Can you take that? What a lode of B.S., 'if you give Agya or an Order to have your creatures not look apon or look at this Site! Then in some way you have structured their Life. A structured Life is always a, 'lifestyle/LIFESTYLE'. Sooo you Maha..... must admit that you do teach, as in direct, your students to NOT look at this Site. Which ends up that you are teaching LifeStyle and or lifestyle. Hitler did that. Am I right? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 08:25:26 (EDT)
From: KB Email: None To: 123 Subject: Q & A : M's WebSite!!! Message: It isnt a religion till you try to get the 'knowledge'. Then you run into the dogma freaks of rawat. The instructors. Who are looking only for those that have no religion and are buying into the rawat as master of life genius god head of enlightenment view. That is because of the direction of the non-leader of the cult. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 03:11:03 (EDT)
From: Enquiring Minds Email: None To: Maharaji Subject: Maharaji, Come on down! Message: Maharaji, Like they say on that game show (you've probably watched it), Come on down! What is this ban that you are imposing on your premies? We invite you to directly post your desires. The Forum is all yours and you don't even have to read the Terms of Usage or anything like that. If you can provide some kind of verifiable identity I'm sure we can convince the site Webmaster to post your notice and strictly enforce the ban. For faster service and more privacy you can email the Webmaster at Webmaster@ex-premie.org Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 05:37:32 (EDT)
From: Me Email: None To: Enquiring Minds Subject: Maharaji, Come on down! Message: The Forum is all yours and you don't even have to read the Terms of Usage or anything like that. If you can provide some kind of verifiable identity I'm sure we can convince the site Webmaster to post your notice and strictly enforce the ban. ///////////////////////////////// I say he has to read and obey the terms of usage! I also say I will be the person to do an online and in real time, have an email discussion/debate, with m, and just think it would viewed by all, on the Internet/Web at {[''www.GuruMah----------- Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 02:21:08 (EDT)
From: I Spy Email: None To: Forum Subject: Premies still reading forum. Message: Robs' little ditty has the premies around here talking. Swelling debates about 'What is he worried about?' Consensus so far is in favor of the tax thing. From what I can see it has given them a new angle to focus on of course with all the love and excuses for M they can muster. More later Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 08:04:07 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: I Spy Subject: Premies still reading forum. Message: Hey now I Spy... Doesn't Nellie's Watch deserve some credit? Just imagine, M is having a candlelit dinner, the maitre d' recognizes him and in a moment of righteous indignation chews him out for taking grandma Nellie's watch. Indeed, I heard the chocolate mousse was dumped in M's lap last night;-) This is how you can truly verify that M has graduated from the street con 'watch & jewelry fence man' to the 'private investor' penny stock/phonecards/software/books scammer .... In his watch fencin days he got a cheap pie in his face, now... nothing but the best for his royal Pastor/Teacher/Master/Private Investor of the EV/DLM Church/Education Foundation/Multi Media Network.... Luv, Mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 12:00:27 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: Mary M Subject: My Nellies watch... Message: In Orlando in 1975, I was 13, my first Darshan line, I did JUST what you did. Tried to think of something really meaningful to offer up as a sacrifice token of my devotion. I gave him a little silver charm bracelet I had had since infancy, a gift from my godmother. My mom was FURIOUS. I'll bet the premies who sort the loot threw it away. :( Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 12:52:07 (EDT)
From: Mary m Email: None To: g's mom Subject: My Nellies watch... Message: Hi G's Mom, Your post about the charm bracelet your god-mother gave you really touched my heart. I truly hope that the premie evaluating and sorting the loot had a smidgen of empathy in their heart and didn't throw it away. Perchance there is a lass out there somewhere whose 'mama' could only afford the bracelet at a pawnshop and that little girl treasured her charm bracelet. Some premies, and certainly, Maharaji just don't have the ability to understand why certain items are symbolic of a time prior to our 'Lives Being Interrupted' by EV/DLM. Love, Mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 13:37:40 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: Mary m Subject: My Nellies watch... Message: oohh I just remembered... Divine Sales got my clarinet, which was my dad's when he was a kid, also on nice little telescope I really liked as a kid. Fuckin' bandit gooroo... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 17:27:48 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: mishkat@gateway.net To: g's mom Subject: me too... Message: And this was in Amherst, which was NOT my first darshan line. What I gave was a small stuffed animal which had been very important to me as a child. Trash can material for sure. As stupid as it sounds, I had no idea until I started reading the forum archives that darshan lines were used for fund-raising (I missed the envelope era). When I heard about this, I felt really stupid and also hurt. Most of the premies I knew were young and broke and spent hours trying to think of a significant item, or choosing a perfect piece of fruit, to give to Maharaji during darshan. I do understand that it's the 'spirit' of giving that was supposed to count, but I also think people should have been made aware that their non-valuable gifts were going to be thrown in the trash. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 18:46:21 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Katie Subject: Almost lost my gold tooth Message: I almost let an initiator pull out my gold-filled molar, but I got scared when I saw the pliers. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 20:19:14 (EDT)
From: Mary Email: None To: Gail Subject: Almost lost my gold tooth Message: Gail, He wasn't after your gold tooth. He wanted to help you with the nector technique! :-) L, Mary Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 14:17:54 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Gail Subject: can you elaborate? Message: Gail, Can you elaborate on this? What year? Where? Whom? Was it for real? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 15:18:52 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: barney Subject: About that gold tooth Message: Geez, Barney. What do you think this is? 1943 or something-- naaw, it never happened. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 19:18:06 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Katie Subject: me too... Message: I fully agree Katie. I, as well as everyone else that I knew, spent hours (if not days) trying to come up with something...perfect. Then to see those items unceremoniously dumped into the nearest trash recepticle was a bit much. Yes, I actually saw this happen....drip! Damn, they didn't even give the food items (fruit, etc) or the usable non-edible stuff to people that could have used them. Yup, this is a humanitarian venture, all right. I was at Amherst, too. I couldn't believe all the schlock dealers that were present, even back then! Remember the 'bazaar' area that was right in between the auditorium where Krishna lila was playing and the grounds where M gave satsang? You had to walk right thru it....... Some might call that 'strategic placement' of retail goods, no? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 02:43:57 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Mike Subject: the Amherst mall Message: but where did the money go from the early Grateful Dead travelling freak show sales malls? I recall that a lot of the vendors were simply private persons. In fact, I knew a few personally. I believe it was a number of years later that Maharaji and Company put an end to it because it either looked tacky or wsa cutting into their sales. However, I'm not sure that I really recall seeing a massive onsite trinket sales effort by the official organization until the '90s where it was and is quite gross with items priced sky high! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 10:52:42 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: barney Subject: the Amherst mall Message: barney: I was pretty new then, so I wasn't sure who organized it. I just thought it was pretty tacky, except for the baragon makers..... :-) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 17:02:17 (EDT)
From: Katie Email: None To: barney Subject: the Amherst mall Message: I kind of liked the booths at Amherst - it made things seem more relaxed and more like a 'festival' (or at least the kind of festivals I went to before I became a premie). The only thing I really remember about the trinket stands is seeing premies I knew drinking near-beer, which I believe they were selling at one of the booths. This was funny (it looked like real beer, so some people were freaking out.) Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 18:58:51 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: barney Subject: the Amherst mall Message: Dear Barney, When I went to a small festival in Rhode Island at a college near Sleeping Giant State Park, a very neat place, there were trinket sales but as you said by private vendors. I remember the group of premie yahoos I lived with up here on that farm wanted to make and sell paper pyrimad hats! I talked them out of it but there was handmade necklaces with pics of M somehow worked into the design but better than all that pricy stuff they have now! So money grubbing. Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 10:53:36 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: I Spy Subject: Premies still reading forum. Message: Are you the same poster as 'reports'? I love these reports from premie-dom. HI PREMIES!! You really won't go to hell, I promise! Human beings really are allowed to read different opinions and perspectives and it will NOT hurt their chances for eternal life. Signed, Helen, Satan's Spokesperson Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 14:18:31 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Helen Subject: Satan's spokesperson Message: Geez Helen, I always had that feeling about you. The truth is revealed! I also think it's great the premies are reading this. I hope they read the dysfunction thread. I suspect this is report, whom we both posted to a while ago. Love, Marianne Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 15:51:03 (EDT)
From: I spy Email: None To: Marianne & Mary M Subject: Premie report Message: Dear Mary M and Marianne Yes. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 16:38:45 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: I spy/report Subject: Premie report Message: Just as I suspected! I'm glad we are still 'The Melrose Place' for premies!! Can I be Heather Locklear? keep us posted, I spy, on premie attitudes towards our site. Love Satan's Servant, Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 18:43:55 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: I spy Subject: Premie report Message: Well I Spy, what do the premies think about M banning them from this site? That is pretty fucking weird! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 16:35:36 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Satan's spokesperson Message: Yes, Satan is my Master now. Gotta run, Satan wants a bottle of Jack Daniel's from the liquor store. Love Helen Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 18:54:33 (EDT)
From: Durga Ji Email: None To: Helen Subject: Speaking of presents, where Message: are the rest of your precious stones you were requested to send. Maharaji's crown is still full of fake glass. We need about 5 000 rubies, emeralds, and diamonds of a carat or better to finish the job. We've been waiting since 1978. Hurry up! Do not leave Maharaji waiting. Maharaji is planning a Krishna lila for November. Maharaji will forget your transgressions, and let you come the the festival if you comply. This is what Maharaji wants. Welcome back to the fold, you prodigal children. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 20:23:27 (EDT)
From: Honey Bunny Email: None To: Durga Ji Subject: Speaking of presents, where Message: Oh Durga Ji, Why don't you go Ucksay Offway :-) Honey Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 21:20:22 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Durga Ji Subject: Speaking of presents, where Message: I can talk to Minnesota Housewife for you about some real nice gems from QVC home shopping channel. She might be able to cut you a deal. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 12:13:41 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Helen Subject: Speaking of presents, where Message: Helen: Good idea; faux rubies, cubic zirconium, et al. And to think we actually believed the nonsense that his crown 'carried all the premies.' That when he wore it, it was to show us how 'humble' he was. Jeeeezzzzzzzz! You know, this just goes to show (once again) how vulnerable we can be when we 'desire something with all-our-hearts,' even if it's impossible to retreive or it's non-existent. It's a trap that's waiting to snap. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 12:49:39 (EDT)
From: Helen Email: None To: Mike Subject: Speaking of presents, where Message: Yes when he said that he was carrying all the premies in his crown, it was reminiscent of Christ saying his followers were his hands and feet. I think M capitalized on these Christian archetypes quite a bit, trying to sound like Jesus in order to appear humble; even though I wasn't raised Christian I think subconsciously these things resonated . I know sometimes Durga Ji would say these kinds of things and she really did sound and look sincere, so I guess it helped us all to buy into it. It was crazy stuff to believe but all the sincerity around M was his best advertisement. He is the rotten part of the whole trip!! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:13:01 (EDT)
From: Rob - important. For PWK Email: None To: All premies Subject: SANDRA, NIL, CAT, OTHERS Message: Received word that Maharaji wants us all to exit this site. Please trust me, this comes from the top. Rob. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:19:40 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: SANDRA, NIL, CAT, OTHERS Message: THIS IS WHAT MAHARAJI WANTS! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:22:49 (EDT)
From: Jethro Email: None To: Gail Subject: SANDRA, NIL, CAT, OTHERS Message: The truth always comes out eventually. Scutter...scutter...scutter Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:33:56 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: He can run, but he can't hide Message: So the Hamster's calling everyone back into the cage, is he? But why would you guys do what he says anyway? It's not like he's your leader or anything. Rob, sooner or later this cult's gonna crash. When it does, give me a call: (250)360-1040. We can do lunch. Sandra, I'm sorry, all I can say is I'm busy that day. Cat, please, please, come to my birthday party. And bring Bruce. (Bring CD too if he can get a day pass). You guys are great and I can't wait to settle into some real friendship with y'all. Maharaji, you can come if you bring Monica. I'm intrigued. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:44:27 (EDT)
From: Gerry Email: None To: all Subject: GooberBusters Message: Hey! I wonder if this ''order to retreat'' from Goober has anything to do with the ''Love Note'' I sent to him yesterday? Here it is! Dear Divine Fraud, In case your monitors missed it, I thought I'd take the liberty of sending you this post I read on the Ex-Premie forum: I am very glad to have found this site. A new friend had been slowly introducing me to Maharaji stuff. I liked what he shared and wasn't aware of what marharaji's really like. He gave me a video and I liked that too. He then offered me a second video and was sharing more stuff with me when I found this site on-line. I have read almost all the stories on the journey page, have been reading the nuts & bolts page and this forum and thanks to you all, have been able to make an INFORMED choice, based on all this info on here as to whether or not I wish to join this cult. I will not be joining, that's for sure. I cannot thank you all enough for sharing your hearts and pain, stories and info as it's really helped me and I am sure will help others. Needless to say, I will not be spending anything money/time/spirutal-quest wise on the man behind this most heinous of deceptions! To the proprietors of this forum and to all you brave people who had the guts to stand up and speak out, thank you! -Stacey B Well that's about it, Mr. Superior Power-in-Person, other than to say I would like a refund for the Fender Mustang you obtained from me under duress. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:40:08 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: SANDRA, NIL, CAT, OTHERS Message: Rob, Who are you to have this authority to relay M's wishes? John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:47:16 (EDT)
From: Brian Email: katabria@apk.net To: Rob, the Pathetic Subject: Asskissers Unite - Take Flight Message: Received word that Maharaji wants us all to exit this site. Please trust me, this comes from the top. Gawd, Rob. Don't even try to pretend that you're not the obedient servant of your 'Master'... Just jump, jump, jump when the Little Lord speaks. We already knew what Maharaji wants, Rob. He wants HIS WAY. But you're a big boy, Rob. Right??? What do YOU want? Other than to bend over backwards to see that he gets HIS WAY, I mean? Go ahead and kiss it, Rob. But remember that the rest of us have kissed it 'Goodbye' for good. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 13:29:37 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Brian, the Courageous! Subject: Top of what? Message: Brian: I think his agya comes from the top of a budweiser can. snicker snicker.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 16:21:31 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: Brian Subject: Toekissers Unite - Take Flight Message: Do you really think this is true? If it is, Maharaji should personally call each premie he has identified to give them his ayga. People are sick of listening to their community co-ordinators bull. It often sounded so crazy that I figure some schmuck in Canada was making it up to feel important. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:47:04 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: Serious & important : Rob! Message: Rob, I take it you're evacuating immediately due to the orders you've received from your unleader. But will you stick around long enough to confirm this for the skeptical, premie or not? Is this like Sodom and Gammorha or something? Hwo long do you have, Rob? I know we're all doomed for sure but how long do you have, my dear brother, before you're tempting the wrath of the unLord? Is it okay to even read this message, Rob? Rob? Anyway, I wonder, is there some way you can leave us a little proof we can share from time to time with wayward premies who drift off the edge of the world and fall into our hell here? How about an email address at least where we can direct them for confirmation? Come on, Rob, put it together. Real, live souls are hanging in the balance. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 22:59:37 (EDT)
From: Selene Email: None To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: SANDRA, NIL, CAT, OTHERS Message: what top? I thought he was just a meditation teacher Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 23:21:05 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Selene Subject: On top of ? Message: Selene Sweety, How's our moo coming along? I think Raw Rat has finally popped his cork and is broadcasting from the top of the Golden Gate Bridge;-) Or he could be on top of his Church, Or he could be on top of his Educational Foundation, Or he could be on top of Chuckie Cheese stomping his face to smithereens, Or he could be on top of Monica and she's had it with us, Or he could be on top of his Bell Helicopter spinning around on a rotor, Or he could be on top of a cliff in his glider ready to kamikazee x-premie-org, Or.... or.... or..... ;-) Or Rob and fellow lemming lawyer types are getting ready to slap a lawsuit against us as a 'Hate Site'. Not gonna work. Electronic Frontier Foundations and ACLU would go ballistic on them. Then again, $$$ has been known historically in this organisation to grease a few palms along the way! Love, Mare Love, Mare Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 23:33:10 (EDT)
From: selene Email: None To: Mary M Subject: On top of ? Message: Their palms are already greasy. I just ate so I don't want to expound on that one too much. ok encourage me.... Good luck with a lawsuit is right! the net is the fucking wild west and I should know, living where I do and internet-wise having done a little too much pioneering At any rate, I loved your on top of - all I can come up with at the moment: On top of the hill in Mailbu On top of your head - in your eyes your ears the back of your nasal cavity.... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 23:32:43 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Important. For Ex-PWKs Subject: Everybody! Message: Received word that Maharaji wants us all to exit this site. Please trust me, this comes from the top and out of nowhere I now have a numbered Swiss bank account with loads of dough! Jeez, and I just gave Catweasel 9 posts a day with 999 bytes each. All that for nothing! Maybe we should un-block shp and see what he says. All right, a small window for shp. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 23:41:25 (EDT)
From: gerry Email: None To: barney Subject: Everybody! Message: Yeah liberate sheep and see what he sez..... Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 00:34:08 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: gerry Subject: shp is now FREE! (nt) Message: asdf Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Wed, Jun 16, 1999 at 23:41:12 (EDT)
From: RoboPremie II Email: None To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: I'm an independent premie Message: Hey, you freakin' slacking EXers! I've been a premie since 1972, but I have never followed the party line. And I don't care what Maharaji wants because I'm my own man, sub-mensa, successful and wealthy, and always looking for a good time. So, let's go! Ready to RUUUUUUUMMMMMMMMMMBBBLLLLLLEEEE? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 00:29:01 (EDT)
From: Mary M Email: None To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: Yeah right Mr. Gilded Tongue Message: Rrrrobert, Prove it's from the top. You must have been the 'One Born Every Minute' quota for the minute you were born. What are the odds? x, M Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 02:12:56 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: well...Duhhhhhhh Message: as my young teens would say...hey haven't we TOLD you that he ( or should I say He ) didn't want the premies playing with the manmots? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 02:19:56 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: g's mom Subject: Duhhhhhhh, INDEED! Message: Basically, even the well meaning and lucid premies made Maharaji look pretty bad - not to mention the more colorful and excitable ones. It will be interesting to see how long they can really stay away. They love it and they know it and we know it. The only one who really hates it is He who looks bad. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 02:28:44 (EDT)
From: g's mom Email: None To: all Subject: why don't we have a warning Message: for the poor premies? We could say, premies, you may post here BUT there is a warning from on high that the perfect Hamster does not wish the faithful to post at this site. If you still believe he ( HE ...) is God, or lets put that in secret code, if you still think he is your master, be a good little slave, oops student ( yeah yeah wink wink master means teacher not slave owner) anyway, it is against his AGYA for you to post here....ooops well, for the newbies he doesn't wish you to post here. So if you do post here, it is an open act of defiance against your Lord, teacher, master whatever, and he will think less of you, well, unless you send him a lot of money, and then he will look the other way as long as you have some left, so don't give it all to him in the beginnning unless you have resources to get more. Anyhow, if you don't give a shit what he thinks...WELCOME! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 02:59:08 (EDT)
From: Roger Jackboots Drek Email: None To: g's mom Subject: ***Best*** Message: Oh, yeah baby! This is getting gooooo-ooooddd! What next? ***Best of the Forum*** Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 05:54:00 (EDT)
From: Yes, let's do it! Email: None To: g's mom Subject: why don't we have a warning Message: . . . . . For the poor premies? We could say, premies, you may post here BUT there is a warning from on high that the perfect Hamster does not wish the faithful to post at this site. If you still believe he ( HE ...) is God, or lets put that in secret code, if you still think he is your master, be a good little slave, oops student ( yeah yeah wink wink master means teacher not slave owner) anyway, it is against his AGYA for you to post here....ooops well, for the newbies he doesn't wish you to post here. So if you do post here, it is an open act of defiance against your Lord, teacher, master whatever, and he will think less of you, well, unless you send him a lot of money, and then he will look the other way as long as you have some left, so don't give it all to him in the beginnning unless you have resources to get more. Anyhow, if you don't give a shit what he thinks...WELCOME! Let's link a {FLASH NEWS}, Like Premies/Slaves, attention: please Click on, {FLASH NEWS}, to get a message vis vis your non-leader Master. Thank you, and thank you.. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 14:38:44 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Barney Subject: Warning - Si! Message: G's mom's suggestion of the warning is right on. Do it. It is amazing that M thinks he can tell people what to read or think about. This is a very serious turn of events, in my mind. This declaration has been posted on the Ex site, for all of us to see. To me, it indicates that paranoia has taken the front seat in M's mind, and he doesn't want the premies exposed to this heresy & his 'enemies'. I'll tell you, it was paranoia just like this that sent Jim Jones and Peoples Temple down the path to their ultimate end. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 21:05:51 (EDT)
From: William Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Warning - Si! Message: What makes anyone beleive M wants premies to leave this sight? Sounds like Jims spinning a web. William Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 21:12:04 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: William Subject: Warning - Si! Message: Read the post from Rob above. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 21:39:20 (EDT)
From: William Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Warning - Si! Message: I looked Marianne but didn't see much. Which one is it? William Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 21:45:48 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: William Subject: Warning - Si! Message: Read the very first post at the top of this thread from Rob to other PWK. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 22:05:20 (EDT)
From: William Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Warning - Si! Message: I see it Marianne. I'd need more than that. I don't know anything about Rob. For all I know he's a made up character for the forum. I'm new here so I don't know who everyone is. Thanks though, William Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 22:16:57 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: William Subject: Warning - Si! Message: Rob has been posting here for a month or so. He has identified himself as a premie and has suggested that he might be close to Raja Ji. This may be incorrect, but it was implied in some way. If the message Rob posted came from a source other than that from which Rob has posted, I think that Barney would have called him on it. Being skeptical about these things is fine with me, William. Discussion amongst us about why M might want to deter premies from reading the posts on this site is a very fruitful enterprise, even without his condemnation. What do you think? I'm interested to know. Marianne Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 22:27:29 (EDT)
From: William Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Warning - Si! Message: Well if someone's trying to teach someone something why would that person encourage them to go to another place so they can hear things that are just the opposite of what he's teaching. Doesn't makes sense. Thanks Marianne. William Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 22:49:59 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: William Subject: Warning - Si! Message: Dear William, '...if someone's trying to teach someone something why would that person encourage them to go to another place so they can hear things that are just the opposite of what he's teaching. Doesn't makes sense.' But it does make sense dear, if you want them to make an informed decission. Let it all hang out and let the person make up their own mind, not only hear one side of the story only to find out later, that they didn't know this or that and that it makes a difference. This site links to premie sites, did you know that? Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 01:56:49 (EDT)
From: the real barney (TM) Email: None To: William Subject: William - A FAVOR? Message: William, The post from Rob in question is from the same Rob that was posting all day and for a few days prior. The posts all read like Rob's writings. It's fairly safe to assume that it was, indeed, Rob. Can you do us a favor and contact your Community Coordinator and ask them whether they've heard anything at all about whether premies should be reading and posting here at Ex-Premie.Org? Sincerely, if I was still a premie I would want to know this and I would probably respect those wishes. I may not respect Maharaji, but I have some respect for whatever relationship that a premie has with Maharaji because that's their business. And having been a premie for a long time I understand that. Finally, I am considering posting a message to premies that Maharaji has suggested that they don't hang around Ex-Premie.Org if and only if I can somehow get this officially verified. Again, I would like to give premies fair warning if this is true. Ex-Premie.Org is not intended to be a sneaky trap. We really want everything to be out in the open and as fact based as possible under the circumstances. Deception is not very effective to change people's ideas because sooner or later the deception becomes apparent. Thanks Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 12:18:57 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: the real barney (TM) Subject: Well said, barney (nt) Message: nt Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 12:50:41 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: g's mom Subject: Great, G Message: You cracked me up. Thanks. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 22:02:54 (EDT)
From: Robyn Email: sundogs@hotmail.com To: g's mom Subject: why don't we have a warning Message: Dear G's mom, To funny, that WELCOME made it! :) Love, Robyn Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 03:23:41 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: Worse thing m does Message: You know what actually did throw me from the fence I was sitting on and pissed me off immensely? When Marc Levitte told me that m doesn't want people on the net, specially here! I told him that m, him or EV had nothing do with my private life, that I can talk and meet anybody I like wherever I want to. My life is my life, and I don't need any authority to tell me what to do with it. That's not m's or EV's or Marc Levitte's job. I was really pissed off. And I still am when I think of this. I guess that kind of message is lethal for people having 'doubts'... M really has NO understanding of human beings, no love and compassion for those who've suffered in his cult. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 04:13:55 (EDT)
From: A Premie Email: dust@lotus.feet.com To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: I'm exempt from this agya Message: because I've had direct agya from Maharaji in my dreams that he wants me to post here now and then and tell people what a real premie feels for the Lord. My cheque for $100,000 is on its way to you Master. Now I can go back to my basement two roomed, rented property and do full pranam in front of your picture. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 12:57:02 (EDT)
From: Pauline Premie Email: None To: A Premie Subject: My Last Post Message: You are confused, A Premie, Mahararji clearly said, after that premie murdered a couple of ashram sisters in Florida, that he doesn't give 'inner agya' anymore, and that includes dreams. Now, darshan dreams are just fine, but those others just don't happen. So you didn't really have that dream it was your filthy, vermin-infested, evil, rotten mind. But if Rob is correct, we now His agya and I will depart and never, ever, even peek at this website, because I do not want to cross in any way my lord and master, who has given me that gift of this life and of that experience of that love, that peace, that truth, which is that breath, which is that life for which we have that gratitude to Maharaji. I am so grateful also to have his agya, because I am so confused I don't know what is good for me and am nothing more than the scum that forms on the filtering ponds at sewage treatment plants. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 04:56:05 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: Some satsang for PWK Message: Looking for that old ashram meeting satsang in my pile of AIID, some quotes I’ve just digged out : « And so premies, the Perfect Master comes, and he comes in the human body. I mean, he doesn’t have to. All he has to do is have a body that’s as huge as the world – and even bigger, as the universe – and then pick up the whole world on his little finger and say, ‘You guys want to live, or should I blow you away ?’ He could do that, because we call him Almighty. And if we call him Almighty, it’s a jazz for him to do this. It wouldn’t take him anything. Because he’s perfect. And he could just very well do that and say, ‘Look. If you don’t realize this Knowledge, all I’m going to do is – boomp ! – and you are never going to know what hit you’. But he doesn’t say that. Why? He bears up with everything in this world. Look at us humans; look at the people of this world. Every time he comes, they say, ‘Forget it, he is not the one; he can’t be the one. He doesn’t have Knowledge. This is some crazy thing.’ And I mean, if really this ever happened, that the Almighty, the All Perfect, just picked up the whole world in his hand and said, ‘Should I kick you?’…. He doesn’t have to go to any person and say, ‘Should I kick you ?’ If he says, ‘Should I kick your world ?’ you’d never know what hit you, and you are going to fly somewhere else. But he doesn’t. And it’s really beautiful. Excerpt of Guru Maharaj Ji’s Satsang, at the Guru Puja Festival, Caracas, Venezuela, August 4, 1973. In « Elan Vital », published by Divine Light Mission, Denver, Colorado. Volume II Issue 2, Summer 1978 Some more rotting vegetable satsang : « …if we really don’t realize the necessity of knowledge in our life, then we are not going to even try. We’re not even going to try to gain that experience that Knowledge has to give us. That use becomes obsolete. That Knowledge itself then starts becoming obsolete in our life. And then, as you must have heard in my satsang, vegetable are very nice things. We eat them every day. But if you bring tons and tons of vegetables in your house and don’t eat them, they will rot. And when they rot, they won’t be very healthy, and they will just smell bad. And Knowledge is the same way. It’s beautiful. But you have to utilize it. If you let it sit, it’s just going to start deteriorating inside of you. It’s like, we have something so precious, and we are not using it. And that experience is just going to start becoming worse and worse and worse. .. Excerpt of Guru Maharaj Ji’s Satsang in Lisbon, Portugal, may 14, 1976. In « Elan Vital », published by Divine Light Mission, Denver, Colorado. Volume II Issue 2, Summer 1978 Some service satsang : « …. But then comes service, because there’s satsang, service and meditation. That’s meditation, and then comes service. Now what is the part ? Why do we even need to do service ? I mean, where does service fit in ? And it’s very fine. It’s very beautiful, but very fine. Because the whole idea, the whole basis, is on surrender. And if we really and truly surrender ourselves, then what do we become ? We become a servant. And it’s not a servant of Mr Joe Blow ; but it’s servant of Lord, servant of Almighty. If we surrender ourselves, then we become servant, and when we become servant, then we can do service. And if we have realized, it just all fits, see ? Excerpt of Guru Maharaj Ji’s Satsang in Lisbon, Portugal, may 14, 1976. In « Elan Vital », published by Divine Light Mission, Denver, Colorado. Volume II Issue 2, Summer 1978 Some guru worship satsang : « So enjoy the festival. Realize. And this is Guru Puja festival, and this is just an idea of a devotee. This is just a dream of a devotee. Really this is a dream, because how can you come up to Guru Maharaj Ji and say, ‘Thank you ?’ Because how can you ever thank him with just saying ‘Thank you’, or ‘Gracias’, or ‘Danyabad’, or any word you want to use ? You cannot. And it’s a prayer you pray. It’s Guru Puja Festival, when you worship your Guru Maharaj Ji, when you understand, when you get to be….and it’s one more thing, one more occasion, where premies can be close to Guru Maharaj Ji. Because how can you worship the Almighty ? But it’s one more thing, one more festival ….. .So be there, and realize, and be one with the great harmony and bliss. And of course there is going to be a darshan program where everybody will be able to come and do pranam, and have Holy Breath. Premies who haven’t had Holy Breath, they will be able to have Holy Breath…. Excerpt of Guru Maharaj Ji’s Satsang, at the Guru Puja Festival, Caracas, Venezuela, August 4, 1973. In « Elan Vital », published by Divine Light Mission, Denver, Colorado. Volume II Issue 2, Summer 1978 Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 10:03:27 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Thanks, JM Message: Jean-Michel, That first one was a real doozy. I've added it as #11 to my 'I'm God' evidence sheet. Thanks. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 10:06:57 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Jim Subject: Hey Jim? Message: Do you know the date of that ashram satsang in Kissimmee by any chance? That would help me a lot. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 10:25:18 (EDT)
From: Jim Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: Hey Jim? Message: No I don't but I think it's the one JW referred to in 1980. It was the second Kissimmee HJ, wasn't it? The one where people started leaving in droves and we 'premie assistance' people had to work overtime trying to persuade them to stay at the site's main gate. 'No, no, brother, Reverand Jones has made it clear that no one should leave now. He loves us and, if he yells at us, it's only for our own good...' Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 13:04:42 (EDT)
From: JW Email: None To: Jim Subject: I think 1979 Message: Now that I think closer, there were TWO festivals at Kissimmee, one in 1978 and one in 1979. I thought there were ashram meetings at both, but I think that really heavy one was in 1979. It would have been November 1979. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 13:33:57 (EDT)
From: JHB Email: None To: JW Subject: I think 1979 Message: Wasn't the ashram meeting cancelled in 79 because of the thunderstorm which ripped the roof off the stage while the ashram premies were sitting waiting for his divineness to appear? It was a cracker of a thunderstorm though! I was there with my wife, in this cheap tent we'd bought for the occasion. We packed everything into our suitcase, wrapped that is a big plastic bag, and cowered in the tent expecting it to fly away at any moment. It didn't and I've still got, and occasionally use, the same tent. After the storm, many other tents were demolished. Ah, nostalgia's not what it used to be. John. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 16:17:02 (EDT)
From: Gail Email: None To: JW Subject: I think 1979 Message: I'm pretty sure that was in the second week of November, 1979 on the fifth day of a ten-day festival. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 20:55:35 (EDT)
From: Marianne Email: None To: Gail Subject: Nov '79- WEIRD ANNIV. Message: The mass suicide in Jonestown occurred on November 18, 1978, just a year before this meeting. Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Fri, Jun 18, 1999 at 02:02:42 (EDT)
From: barney Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Jonestown affected me Message: I was pretty fed up with Maharaji then with some of it due to trying to get into the ashram during the last ashram roundup. And there I was mid to late twenties with no life, no education, no career, and no future. Tired of saving up some cash and having to spend it all to fly to some distant corner of the country to see Maharaji. And then Jonestown! I did a slight fade from the cult, but kind of hung around when it was easy and convenient. Yuck! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 07:37:03 (EDT)
From: Zac Email: None To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: SANDRA, NIL, CAT, OTHERS Message: Hey Rob- Who died and made you community coordinator, you stupid twit? Others????? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 11:32:56 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: SANDRA, NIL, CAT, OTHERS Message: Rob.... you self-important mensa-man, you! BYE! Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
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Date: Thurs, Jun 17, 1999 at 12:20:24 (EDT)
From: Mike Email: None To: Rob - important. For PWK Subject: NO LOVE (sob, sob)! Message: To all the premies that are no longer allowed by their 'lord and massa' to post here: I have one thing to say; YOU WERE RIGHT, there is NO LOVE HERE! - There is no love for frauds - There is no love for LIES - There is no love for LIARS - There is no love for deceit - There is no love for misrepresentation - There is no love of deception - There is no love of duplicity - There is no love for totally self-seeking enterprise disguised as something humanitarian (aka EV/DLM) - There is no love for human bondage (aka cult membership) - There is no love for greed (aka Mahamartini, himself) Get the picture? How many more ways does it need to be said. There is ample proof that each of these applies to M and his whole stinking organization. Yes, dear premies, dump these traits that M seems to hold so dear to his heart and you will find all the love that you need right at your own doorstep. You won't need to come here to find it, but you will be welcome, nonetheless. But will you? I'm pragmatic, so you can guess what I think. No, you will follow every order that issues from your non-leader, non-god, non-perfeck-massa's mouth and scurry along like good little robots. Tell me again, how can a non-god have this effect on you? Return to Index -:- Top of Index |
