Forum IV: The Ex-Premie Forum
Archive: 3
From: Mon, Sep 06, 1999 To: Sun, Sep 19, 1999 Page: 4 Of: 5


Jim -:- Simple Q for premies -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:29:50 (EDT)
__ Shp -:- Simple Q & A -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 19:46:46 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- Coward! -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 00:29:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ Shp -:- Re: Coward! -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 06:17:37 (EDT)

Jim -:- New premie trinket -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:20:20 (EDT)
__ Roger E. Drek -:- Sounds like an idea for a pay as you go webpage -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 16:09:44 (EDT)

Jean-Michel -:- Hey Barbara & SHP -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 09:18:42 (EDT)
__ Liz -:- Re: Hey Barbara & SHP -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:26:07 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- Good point -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:23:36 (EDT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- MY bad taste -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 13:02:10 (EDT)

CdM -:- Were you a cart horse? -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 09:16:44 (EDT)
__ Neon Explosion -:- Re: Were you a cart horse? -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:20:29 (EDT)
__ __ CdM -:- Flower Explosion -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 16:00:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ Neon Explosion -:- Re: Flower Explosion -:- Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 12:27:54 (EDT)
__ The King of Somoa -:- But it's not a cult, right? NT -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 10:12:09 (EDT)
__ __ Liz -:- Re: But it's not a cult, right? NT -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 13:49:17 (EDT)
__ __ Deputy Dog -:- Re: But it's not a cult & IP address -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:19:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ Dog Pound -:- Bad dog! Git! Scram! -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 16:33:29 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- What's that mean? -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:07:20 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Please let me explain. -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 21:16:24 (EDT)
__ __ CdM -:- Re: But it's not a cult, right? -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:03:03 (EDT)

Dr Octopus -:- This WAS the time -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:49:09 (EDT)

Christopher Quartus -:- AND FOR YOUR NEXT INCARNATION ... -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:41:23 (EDT)
__ Mr. EXPERIENCE -:- Logic Shmogic -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 16:20:33 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Re: AND FOR YOUR NEXT INCARNATION ... -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:40:01 (EDT)
__ Gregg -:- Re: AND FOR YOUR NEXT INCARNATION ... -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 09:33:44 (EDT)

Jean-Michel -:- And another forum/RSSM -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:06:59 (EDT)

Jim -:- Brave New World -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 22:50:44 (EDT)
__ People's Poet -:- Brave New World -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 13:22:26 (EDT)
__ __ Mr. Ripoff -:- Unlicenced edit -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 17:01:58 (EDT)
__ __ __ People's Poet -:- Grate Mate (nt for thee) -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 14:19:32 (EDT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Re: Brave New World -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:18:06 (EDT)
__ Joe-Bob Dawkins -:- It's got it all -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:09:11 (EDT)

Ben Lurking -:- Decode IP address -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 21:32:22 (EDT)
__ Forum Administrator -:- Apologies -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:30:23 (EDT)
__ Runamok -:- Re: Decode IP address -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 23:56:39 (EDT)
__ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Decode IP address -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:21:19 (EDT)
__ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Decode IP address -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 21:56:21 (EDT)
__ __ S.A.M. -:- Hey! How'd you do that? (nt) -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:04:53 (EDT)
__ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Hey! How'd you do that? + More info -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:29:24 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ S.A.M. -:- Re: Hey! How'd you do that? + More info -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 04:51:31 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Hey! How'd you do that? + More info -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 15:24:26 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ S.A.M. -:- Partially correct -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 15:41:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- there is a topic to the previous message and I reposted it -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:41:48 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Prof Heinz Baked-Beans -:- Well here is the password -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:38:07 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Well here is the password -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:14:37 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ S.A.M. -:- Knowing name of executable doesn't win the cigar -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 14:47:47 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Knowing name of executable doesn't win the cigar -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 20:02:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Runamok -:- Re: there is a topic to the previous message and I reposted it -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 03:04:18 (EDT)

Sir Dave -:- Satpal hits back -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 20:57:29 (EDT)

URL -:- To Anth -- from a thread below -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 18:15:33 (EDT)
__ AJW -:- Just for now URL -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 18:48:14 (EDT)
__ __ URL -:- Re: Just for now URL -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 19:03:08 (EDT)
__ __ __ AJW -:- Losing an eye. -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 15:58:10 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ URL -:- Re: Losing an eye. -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 19:25:45 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Out vile jelly -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 14:26:04 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ URL -:- cute (nt) -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 21:42:42 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Don't mind Anth, Url -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 01:22:24 (EDT)

Deputy Dog -:- EV is not a cult. -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 09:47:28 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- Okay, if it's not a cult ... -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 22:53:31 (EDT)
__ __ Deputy Dog -:- Re: Okay, if it's not a cult ... -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 00:48:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Oh yeah? Prove it. -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:38:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Proof! -:- Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 20:37:01 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Re: Proof -2! -:- Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 20:58:09 (EDT)
__ __ __ Ben Lurking -:- Re: Okay, if it's not a cult ... -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:43:32 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ G lurking -:- HA HA HA HA -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 17:12:17 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jack (Rawat) Handy -:- Deep Thoughts -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 14:17:45 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- These are great! -:- Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 01:13:04 (EDT)
__ Queen Elizabeth II -:- And I'm not the Queen of England -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 20:24:25 (EDT)
__ Sheriff Cat -:- A question for you -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 18:02:13 (EDT)
__ __ URL -:- Re: A question for you -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 21:16:27 (EDT)
__ __ __ S.A.M. -:- Great URL, but didn't you forget something? -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:17:56 (EDT)
__ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Thanks URL -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 22:40:21 (EDT)
__ __ Hush -:- Re: A question for you -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 18:20:32 (EDT)
__ Toby -:- Re: EV is not a cult. -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 10:50:01 (EDT)
__ Pig Dog -:- Question for premies -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 10:15:34 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- Good idea, PD -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 10:18:09 (EDT)
__ __ __ Teacher -:- NO, Jim. You cannot hand out the pencils because... -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 15:04:37 (EDT)
__ Jim -:- You're joking, right? -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 10:13:38 (EDT)
__ __ Deputy Dog -:- No I'm not joking! -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 12:02:59 (EDT)
__ __ __ URL -:- Re: No I'm not joking! -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 16:15:02 (EDT)
__ Brian -:- Re: EV is not a cult. -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 10:10:15 (EDT)
__ __ Roger Experience Drek -:- ***Best of Forum*** Happy Birthday! -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 16:41:46 (EDT)
__ __ __ Shp -:- Re: ***Best of Forum*** Happy Birthday! -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 17:12:18 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Roger Pluck Yew Drek -:- Re: ***Best of Forum*** Happy Birthday! -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 17:25:37 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Roger Paradise Drek -:- I think that Paradise just burped. This message appears in two places (nt) -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 17:36:49 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Shpeinstein -:- Re: I think that Paradise just burped. This message appears in two places (nt) -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 18:53:23 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Abner Louima (aka barney) -:- SHP IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT! -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:08:45 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shp -:- Re: SHP IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT! -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 07:35:49 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Abner Louima - One Tough Cop -:- Just don't come round the pool tables in the Student Union -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 16:45:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shp -:- Let's give brother Abner a rest. -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 19:57:12 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Roger Seeing-Double Drek -:- Oh, yeah! I have more power than ever. Double your fun. -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 17:39:38 (EDT)
__ __ Deputy Dog -:- Re: EV is not a cult. -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 12:25:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ Riccochet Rabbit -:- Bing, bing, bing -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 17:51:30 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Deputy Dog -:- Re: Bing, bing, bing -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 22:03:28 (EDT)
__ __ __ Gregg -:- Re: EV is not a cult (whatever). -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 14:41:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ barney -:- Correction: It's not devotion. It's gratitude now! -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 16:46:39 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ URL -:- Re: EV is not a cult (whatever). -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 16:07:41 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Gregg -:- URL: Love Bomb from me to You -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 22:08:32 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ URL -:- Re: URL: Love Bomb from me to You -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 19:31:16 (EDT)

Christopher -:- SOLID GOLD? -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 07:20:15 (EDT)
__ barney -:- Say what? -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 15:19:46 (EDT)
__ __ QUARTUS -:- Re: Say what? -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:28:57 (EDT)
__ __ __ Robyn -:- Re: Say what? -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 08:13:01 (EDT)

Jim -:- Who's the stupidest premie? -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 02:40:14 (EDT)
__ Stupid Mel -:- Backbone...... -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 18:11:40 (EDT)
__ __ Shp -:- Re: Backbone...... -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 19:24:37 (EDT)
__ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Re: Backbone...... -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 06:07:13 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Shp -:- Re: Backbone...... -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 07:42:50 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Do you guys have any idea? -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:53:21 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Shp -:- More than you know -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 20:10:22 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ X -:- Re: Do you guys have any idea? -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 19:11:30 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Mr Idea -:- Re: Do you guys have any idea? -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 17:35:55 (EDT)
__ Shp -:- Re: Who's the stupidest premie? -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 08:30:12 (EDT)
__ __ Jim -:- Believe me, Shp, you're not far off -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 08:40:45 (EDT)
__ __ __ Shp -:- Re: Believe me, Shp, you're not far off -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 10:42:35 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ Fair Maiden -:- Just WHAT are you saying? -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 17:52:29 (EDT)
__ __ __ __ __ Shp -:- Re: Just WHAT are you saying? -:- Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 20:22:12 (EDT)
__ Jim's early in the morning alter ego -:- Chill, buddy. Take it easy. Relax -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 08:29:11 (EDT)
__ __ barney -:- Careful there Alter Ego -:- Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 16:52:45 (EDT)


Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:29:50 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Simple Q for premies
Message:
Here's a simple one:

A lot of you cult apologists say that you can't imagien Maharaji would have known that Jagdeo was molesting kids and not taken him out of commission. Of course one of your own, Shp, raises an excellent point for a change by questioning how Maharaji's 'omniscience' factors into the picture. But beyond that, what I'd like to know is what you'd think, say or do if it turns out gmom is not wrong and that Maharaji really had heard about Jagdeo years before he was taken off the western circuit?

Now, I know, the turth is you're afraid to go there. Hey, don't worry about it. No one's expecting any free, honest thinkign form any of you. I just thought I'd ask, that's all.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 19:46:46 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Simple Q & A
Message:
Jim,

You said: 'Now, I know, the turth is you're afraid to go there. Hey, don't worry about it. No one's
expecting any free, honest thinkign form any of you. I just thought I'd ask, that's all.'

You must be a lousy fisherman because you always let the hook show through the worm every time you set your bait. No wonder you've only caught little ones who don't know which pond they are in until they have a few rips in their lips.

With regard to your quote I copied above, you know not of that which you speak.

All lawyers don't act a cetain way, all ex-premies don't act a cetain way, all canuks don't act a certain way and all premies don't act a certain way. You bait is dead, no wiggle left. Time to find a live wiggler, Jim. And cast it out there in deeper water. That's where the big ones are. Got enough line?

As for the speculation about who knew what and when, I am from Missouri: 'Show me.'
Speculation is a waste of time and is not admissible in court, is it? Isn't it called heresay?
I have submitted my question and have recieved no answer. I am regrouping.

Are you sure, beyond a reasonable doubt, that your viewpoint on all of this is the reality of the situation?

As for your simple Q: If 'ifs and buts' were fruits and nuts, nobody on earth would be starving.
I prefer to deal with what is, not what ifs.

Shp

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Date: Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 00:29:12 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: Coward!
Message:
Shp,

You're spineless.

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Date: Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 06:17:37 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Coward!
Message:
'no backbones'
to bust my stones
but names will never hurt me...
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:20:20 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: New premie trinket
Message:
How about marketing this at the next thingamujigger?

You know those little scrabble-like fridge magnets you can get? The kind where you just mix the words up and enjoy the resulting 'poetry'? How about putting together a set of word pieces for some premie poetry? Just do a word search over on all the 'Expressions' on ELK and there you are. Or maybe there's even an internet random word place by now where you can feed in a bunch of words and see what strings come out. It'd actually be better, I think, than what the premies currently come up with. Hm?

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 16:09:44 (EDT)
From: Roger E. Drek
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Sounds like an idea for a pay as you go webpage
Message:
I assume you are talking about the repeated use of premie phrases like tugging at my heartstrings, gratitude, THAT experience, THAT love, the Master, etc.

While the nomenclature of the cult seems to have stablized in recent years, as you know there is always the possibility that the pendulum might swing back or swing even more to the right and the key phrases would be changed.

The thing to remember, my brother, is that externally life changes and the beautiful experience inside is our anchor in those rough seas.

Jai Sat Chit Anand!
Bhole Shri...

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 09:18:42 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Hey Barbara & SHP
Message:
Have you read 'Marolyn's letter' that's been posted here months back?

That was an actual answer from Marolyn (and her husband) to someone having a serious problem involving one of his instructor.

Want to read it again? I'll find it for you, unless someone else does...

I know it's VERY much disturbing, and I personnaly know the persons involved. And this is also a serious case, believe me.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:26:07 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Re: Hey Barbara & SHP
Message:
Dear Jean,

I didn't read 'Marolyn's Letter and would really like to. Can you repost it for all to see?

Thanks in Anticipation,

Beat Regards,

Liz

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:23:36 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Good point
Message:
Yes, JM, please do find it. (You'd think I'd have it and I probably do but I can't find it right now).
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 13:02:10 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: MY bad taste
Message:
Hey, everybody's again going to tell I've a ugly taste.

I'm sorry for the circumstances under which 'the letter' was written, but this a is an extremely valuable testimony on how the Rawats handle a difficult situation ....

Wait a few minutes, and you'll have it online ....

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 09:16:44 (EDT)
From: CdM
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Were you a cart horse?
Message:
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:20:29 (EDT)
From: Neon Explosion
Email: 4-ears@caramail.com
To: CdM
Subject: Re: Were you a cart horse?
Message:
How do you do insert the picture like this ?!
THANKS
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 16:00:23 (EDT)
From: CdM
Email: None
To: Neon Explosion
Subject: Flower Explosion
Message:
Neon,

you need to understand just a little HTML. However I'm not sure that the forum is really a place to post loads of pictures. I hope nobody minded me posting that one of the flowery carriage in Orlando. I found it in my desk draw today. It was a very poor image taken with a little Instamatic. I cleaned it up the best I could in Photoshop. That's Mike Donner on the left and Anth tells me Marino is on the right in dark glasses. I can't remember who the lucky fellas who got to drag the thing were.

If you want to see some more flower shots check this link...

MORE FLOWERS PLEASE

Charlie

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Date: Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 12:27:54 (EDT)
From: Neon Explosion
Email: Aura Pathways
To: CdM
Subject: Re: Flower Explosion
Message:
THANKS,
I like also the 'Flower Explosion'
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 10:12:09 (EDT)
From: The King of Somoa
Email: None
To: CdM
Subject: But it's not a cult, right? NT
Message:
ha!
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Date: Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 13:49:17 (EDT)
From: Liz
Email: None
To: The King of Somoa
Subject: Re: But it's not a cult, right? NT
Message:
That's funny seeing as I used to love both collecting stamps and pressing wild flowers when I was a kid...... To bad we have to live in the big wide real (unreal) world eh?

I must lose my addiction for my latest hobby - the Ex-Forum.

Love,

Liz to The King of Samoa

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:19:56 (EDT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: The King of Somoa
Subject: Re: But it's not a cult & IP address
Message:
Hey King,

I've already explained this. It's Indian CULT-ure.

==================================
To the ex-es,

I admit I use many aliases. I didn't think there was anything wrong with that. But if I'm going to have my anonymity threatened I'm outta here, and you guys can preach to the choir.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 16:33:29 (EDT)
From: Dog Pound
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Bad dog! Git! Scram!
Message:
Ah, but D-Dog we do know who you are.

Go on, git out of here before the Dog Catcher gets you and takes you to the Pound. You're such an ugly, mangy dog with fleas, that missing ear, and broken teeth that is unlikely that you will be adopted. I'm not even sure that the Bio Labs will take you and you know what that means don't you - a nice little injection of P3 (or is that T3.)

Don't worry. This is only comedy. No threat intended. You are safe, but please don't pee on my carpet again.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:07:20 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: What's that mean?
Message:
DD,

If you start posting under various names you could (and should) get kicked out. Don't do it. Your persuasive arguments carry the day on their own anyway. But tell me, what in the world does a good, cult-leader-fearing fool like you have to worry about your anonymity for? Are you remembering the crazy ex-cult members who smashed the premie's head in with a hammer in the seventies?

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 21:16:24 (EDT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Please let me explain.
Message:
Jim,

Are you suggestiong that some premie would hit me in the head with a hammer for having some fun, and anonymously expressing my opinions on this site? (That IS a rather sick notion when you think about it.) Or is this just a clever ruse to keep me posting so you can trace me with that IP thing? Oooops!

Okay Jim, so you fooled me this time. But never again! Jim you are far too clever for us naughty people.

No, it's not so much the ****CULT**** I fear, it's just that I like to keep the fact that I meditate personal. I pick and choose who I tell I'm a premie to. Most of my neighbours don't know I'm a premie. The people at work don't know. They don't need to know. And I find I'm more comfortable when I post incognito....more able to express myself behind a name other than my own which is .........whoa! That was close.

Okay, since you've already tricked me I might as well tell you why I like to use different names. As Shakespeare said, 'What's in a name? A rose by any other name would smell as sweet.' So why kick me out for posting under different names? It's the message that's important isn't it? Who cares what names I use? I could post as Deputy Dog or Angry Man, it shouldn't make any difference at all . . . . oh SHIT another secret gone!!!! Now look what you made me do!@#$ Jim I'd better sign off before I also tell you that I have posted as.............. Shit, that was a close one!

Okay so I'll stick with Deputy Dog for a while.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:03:03 (EDT)
From: CdM
Email: None
To: The King of Somoa
Subject: Re: But it's not a cult, right?
Message:
Of course not. It's a good old fashioned hobby. Rather like collecting stamps or pressing wild flowers.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:49:09 (EDT)
From: Dr Octopus
Email: None
To: All
Subject: This WAS the time
Message:
cHECK out the timing of 'STEPPING STONES' Tues, Sep 07, 1999 at 13:13:13 (EDT)
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:41:23 (EDT)
From: Christopher Quartus
Email: None
To: All
Subject: AND FOR YOUR NEXT INCARNATION ...
Message:
ABIGONE

09.09.1999

"The Stepping Stones of Logic"

In the not too distant past, a certain "guru" known as Maharaj Ji claimed to be the most powerful incarnation of God this world has ever known.

Now, think this through, everyone who has the courage to. Logic needs to be applied. Carefully.

Apparently he no longer claims to be the most powerful incarnation of God .

The point which logic forces us to face is this:
does, - or does that not - make him the biggest liar this world has ever known?

There are only two choices in this 'test' case. Either he is lying now, or he was lying then.

By wanting to have it both ways, what has he revealed himself to be?

There is a proverb: "A good liar needs to have a good memory."

Just WHo are we dealing with?

Just a liar? Or "A" BIG ONE ...?

And what kind of karma awaits him?

There is a theory of Gurdjieff's called 'Eternal Recurrance', in which the possible reality of our having to repeat this existence over and over again is put forward. Implausible for some, perhaps.

However, the prospect of M realising that his next incarnation (assuming he beleives in such) - his next incarnation may well be similar to ... well, what would he deserve? To cause suffering to oneself as much as one causes suffering to others is the moving factor behind the principle of Karma.

Now, in the name of Logic, if not God, are we to stand up for Truth and continue to let him play out his current role?

The Beak.

(as in be clear)

BE clear, folks (and see the whole wood, as well as the trees).

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 16:20:33 (EDT)
From: Mr. EXPERIENCE
Email: None
To: Christopher Quartus
Subject: Logic Shmogic
Message:
You ex-premies are so silly. It doesn't matter what Maharaji said then and it doesn't matter what he says now. It's the EXPERIENCE that matters. Maharaji can say whatever he likes. If he said he was God back then, who cares? I have the EXPERIENCE. Do YOU have the EXPERIENCE? If you did, you'd never care what Maharaji ever said, says, or is going to say again. How could you? What does that have to do with THE EXPERIENCE? None of it matters. It's the EXPERIENCE... THE EXPERIENCE! None of you can argue with that! Can you? Ha ha ha! Gotta go now. Got a video to catch where I ALWAYS have a GREAT EXPERIENCE. The EXPERIENCE lives!!!
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:40:01 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Christopher Quartus
Subject: Re: AND FOR YOUR NEXT INCARNATION ...
Message:
Are you familiar with J B Priestly's play, 'I Have Been Here Before'? It is a cracking good yarn and it puts forward a likely alternaative to Gurdjieff's 'Eternal Recurrance' theory.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 09:33:44 (EDT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Christopher Quartus
Subject: Re: AND FOR YOUR NEXT INCARNATION ...
Message:
Here's another possibility: maybe he USED to be the most powerful incarnation of God but now he isn't. Too much alcohol, maybe.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:06:59 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: All
Subject: And another forum/RSSM
Message:
Sant Mat Advaita Kundalini Ramana Krishnamurti Rawat

Any and all gurus or philosophies discussed here.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 22:50:44 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Brave New World
Message:
John Godbold

Ipswich, Australia

Gratitude

High on the hill a flautist sits on a rock in the afternoon shadows, the music drifts on the breeze
And the haunting sounds tug at my heartstrings.

A young woman prances barefoot through the rain wet grass and gathers two flowers for a table
And the vision fills my heart with beauty.

The room fills with people from all parts of the world, all sorts of backgrounds, all shapes and sizes,
This heart fills with such longing.

My master's face smiles at me from a video screen
And my heart melts.

How then can I express, in words, my gratitude.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 13:22:26 (EDT)
From: People's Poet
Email: None
To: John
Subject: Brave New World
Message:
Dear John Godbold,

I am the People's Poet, with licence to edit. I have unashamedly changed and twisted your words, to try and make sense out of them.

Oh yeah, I sneaked a line from Phil Ochs in there too.

Sort of 'sampled prose'.

That's showbiz.

Ipswich, Australia

Gratitude

High on the hill a flautist sits on a rock in the afternoon shadows, the music drifts on the breeze
And the haunting sounds tug at my heartstrings. It is the sound of freedom, calling up to the sky.

A young woman prances barefoot through the rain wet grass and gathers two flowers for a table
And the vision fills my heart with beauty.

The room fills with people from all parts of the world, all sorts of backgrounds, all shapes and sizes,
This heart fills with such longing for the days before my mind tangling and died, in my Masters web.

My master's face smiles at me from a video screen
And my heart melts.

How then can I express, in words, my gratitude, for that glimpse of freedom.

I smash the screen and walk free.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 17:01:58 (EDT)
From: Mr. Ripoff
Email: None
To: People's Poet
Subject: Unlicenced edit
Message:
Gratitude

High on the hill a flautist sits on a rock in the afternoon shadows, the music drifts on the breeze
And the haunting sounds tug at my heartstrings.
[It frees my mind, if for just a few moments, from the clutches of the cult I have become ensnared in].

A young woman prances barefoot through the rain wet grass and gathers two flowers for a table
And the vision fills my heart with beauty.
[True beaty, that is. Not the kind of 'I wish this was beautiful, when will it be beautiful?' experience I have when I oblige myself to an hour of nothingness each day when I meditate].

The room fills with people from all parts of the world, all sorts of backgrounds, all shapes and sizes,
This heart fills with such longing.
[Tonight? Will it come true tonight? Finally, will I see what so many others, with their glazed and sparkling eyes, say is so?]

My master's face smiles at me from a video screen
And my heart [yearns].
[Then sinks. Then drops. By the time it is over, I am once again, empty and aching. Oh, what is it that the others see that I cannot? Why can I not see? Is my heart not pure? Is my desire not true? Is my master? I begin to dare. I begin to question].

How then can I express, in words, my gratitude.
[For I have none. Just a longing to be free].

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Date: Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 14:19:32 (EDT)
From: People's Poet
Email: None
To: Mr. Ripoff
Subject: Grate Mate (nt for thee)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:18:06 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Brave New World
Message:
How could you be so cruel and insensitive, Jim, to take something so profound and beautiful, something so wonderous and exquisite, so transforming and erudite, and copy and paste it here.

Shame on you. When was the last time your master's face melted your heart from your TV screen. Oh, I am so touched, I think I will sing a devotional song now...

PS Click here to see your master's face

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:09:11 (EDT)
From: Joe-Bob Dawkins
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: It's got it all
Message:
Has all the key phrases. Easy to dance to. I'll give it a 79, Dick.

drifts on the breeze
tug at my heartstrings
the rain
fills my heart
all shapes and sizes
heart fills with such longing
my heart melts
gratitude

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 21:32:22 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Decode IP address
Message:
How come there is now a 'decode IP' address in messages? Who has the password to decode?
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 12:30:23 (EDT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: forumfour@hotmail.com
To: Everyone
Subject: Apologies
Message:
My apologies. I'm new at the job and I misunderstood the toggle switches in the Administrators software.

The Forum policy is not to reveal IP addresses. This is a mistake.

Forum Administrator

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 23:56:39 (EDT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: Re: Decode IP address
Message:
Whoever has it could probably manage to view your ISP without letting you know. Maybe they want you to know.

Anyway, it makes it easier to see who is posting, since some people like to use a zillion names.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:21:19 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Runamok
Subject: Re: Decode IP address
Message:
Actually it is not secure as there is no time out or error out for entering wrong passwords and if the password is that easy to crack ip addresses are not that far behind. Luckily I post from a secret all powerful IP and cannot be traced. :=) Actually if you are posting rom a fully qualifieddomain registered to you it may be an easy crack. Somone need to ask paradise to put a 3 or 5 try on password entry as a fail.
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 21:56:21 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: Re: Decode IP address
Message:
and now check out my new browser!
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:04:53 (EDT)
From: S.A.M.
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: Hey! How'd you do that? (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:29:24 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: S.A.M.
Subject: Re: Hey! How'd you do that? + More info
Message:
Secret agent man ..... If I told you I would have to kill you! Actually I use a browser with a config file that I am able to edit and one the options is the browser name. I can also see where the decode executable is not that it helps. I really am not interested in breaking in, I am interested in keeping over-zealous premies from finding me and I will probally post from a method I once discussed with Brian so I can't be easily detected. I don't mind the webmaster knowing where I am from I just don't want someone with time on there hand to be able to try and crack my ip as it can reveal who I am. I vote to set 'decode ip' as not visible to all but the forum admin or webmaster.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 04:51:31 (EDT)
From: S.A.M.
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: Re: Hey! How'd you do that? + More info
Message:
I wouldn't worry about it, Ben.

It's the usual password deal, albeit a little week because as you say there is no lock out after so many failed tries.

I don't think that you have to worry because the brute strength effort to crack it would take too long. Let's say it's a 10 character password and it's case sensitive and allows numerals. So, that's 26 + 26 + 10 possibilities for each position. Well, the number of permutations, if my math is correct, is 62**10 (62 to the 10th power) which is a pretty big number.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 15:24:26 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: S.A.M.
Subject: Re: Hey! How'd you do that? + More info
Message:
I am sure your math is correct but a scrambled IP will have to fall into an alowable range and the first 3 digits are within a cetain known set and of the next three cannot be greater than 255. Also if one was to start from scratch it is a time consuming program but there are password cracking programs out there already and you could just feed it a few sets and walk away. We are on an Apache server with UNIX so we know that the length is most likely 8 characters not 10. Anyway they have toggled it off so only the admin and the sneaks can see it now :=)
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 15:41:39 (EDT)
From: S.A.M.
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: Partially correct
Message:
Ben,

You are partially correct on the weakness of the encryption scheme.

I think that you might be wrong on the assumption that because it is a UNIX machine that the PW is limited to 8 chars. As a client you are not really logged into the UNIX machine as most of us consider being logged in. Rather it is a special user that has very limited rights to the machine. The PW page submits the PW to a CGI or EXE and that program does a simple look up against a file or a database. If the password matches then it gives you the next page. Because the password dialog is just another HTML page with a form with an Action that calls another Executable there need not be a limitation on the length of the password.

But, good detective work on your part. I, too, share your concerns about keeping my identity secret.

Sincerely,

Bill Patterson

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:41:48 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: there is a topic to the previous message and I reposted it
Message:
Secret agent man ..... If I told you I would have to kill you! Actually I use a browser with a config file that I am able to edit and one the options is the browser name. I can also see where the decode executable is not that it helps. I really am not interested in breaking in, I am interested in keeping over-zealous premies from finding me and I will probally post from a method I once discussed with Brian so I can't be easily detected. I don't mind the webmaster knowing where I am from I just don't want someone with time on there hand to be able to try and crack my ip as it can reveal who I am. I vote to set 'decode ip' as not visible to all but the forum admin or webmaster.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:38:07 (EDT)
From: Prof Heinz Baked-Beans
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: Well here is the password
Message:
Actually, it would take you longer than the current history of the Universe to work out what the password is by trying every permutation, by which time the Sun would have turned into a red giant, swallowed up the Earth and then retracted into a dead star.

Not to worry though since I can give you the password for free. It is

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:14:37 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Prof Heinz Baked-Beans
Subject: Re: Well here is the password
Message:
Actually I can view the scrambled IP with the scrambled password, niether item being that long some kid could probablly get it relatilvey short order with readilly available crackers. Now if it was 22 digit number it would be a tad bit harder but that the name of the executable is visible in a link to me makes the tasks all that much easiar.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 14:47:47 (EDT)
From: S.A.M.
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: Knowing name of executable doesn't win the cigar
Message:
Ben Ben Ben,

A quick lesson from a non-expert:

The executable executes on the server and not on your machine. Hopefully, Paradise has configured the server such that the executable can only execute and cannot be read, which is very common. Also, hopefully Paradise has the source code to the executable marked as non-readable by clients or is in a directory that is completely off limits to clients.

If there is a problem it is the use of 8 bit encryption.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 20:02:12 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: Ben Lurking
To: S.A.M.
Subject: Re: Knowing name of executable doesn't win the cigar
Message:
I realize that but working on the assumption that it may be publically avialble source I could grab the source or even follw the path if the server let me to it and download it. Nuff said about breaking in - beeter to find holes and report them to the powers that be.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 03:04:18 (EDT)
From: Runamok
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: Re: there is a topic to the previous message and I reposted it
Message:
It's easy enough for the webmaster to turn it on when he wants to use it and then turn it off. But I like the old 'one screenname' system and this is about as close as we are going to get on one of these forums.

Ever notice how when things get hot there are a bunch of 'new' people posting who are really people who post all the time but they aren't up front with their identity. Or maybe it's their way of 'spamming' the ballot box.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 20:57:29 (EDT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Satpal hits back
Message:

It's all on The ANYTHING GOES forum so point your browser there today! You know it makes sense.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 18:15:33 (EDT)
From: URL
Email: None
To: All
Subject: To Anth -- from a thread below
Message:
Anth said: This does, however raise an interesting point. Many premies want to believe the worst about this site. That it's full of evil Maharaji haters. This is not the case. But it's almost like they want it to be like this to fulfill their wierd concepts.

Now look who's being a revisionist. Get a grip Anth, this site is, and has been FULL of Maharaji haters -- not to mention premie haters. I don't think you are personally one of them but hey, have a look around. As for wanting to fulfil a weird concept -- if anyone created the mould for this type of tactic it's ex-premies. Premies as recent as today have been characterised by one of this site's illustrious founders as follows: '…some orchestrated, bullshit voice of pablum like you sanforized motherfuckers.' So come on Anth, show some integrity and at least don't deny the behaviour of the crowd you're hanging with.

Besides, I know you are all just people with whom I could have a pleasant enough time over a beer or two. I don't have a need to contort your image to defend what I believe to be true. Whether it is indeed true or false, believe me it will all come out in the wash. And if truth and understanding is a goal worth shooting for, it is TOTALLY counter-productive to sweat the stuff others are starting wars over.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 18:48:14 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Just for now URL
Message:
Hi URL,

I'm knackered and got a lot to do. I'll do my best to give your post a bit more time soon, but for now, I'll just say that one of the folks I hang out round here with is you URL.

Anth, friend of the premies, enemy of the cult.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 19:03:08 (EDT)
From: URL
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Just for now URL
Message:
Anth, here's another example of how ex-premies like to propegate 'weird' stereotypes about premies:

Anyway, Jim, you've got to realize sooner or later that these are not fully functioning adult minds. Would you get into an argument with lab rats?

Lot's of fun 'til somebody loses an eye.

URL, friend of the kind, equally averse to cult behaviour

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 15:58:10 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Losing an eye.
Message:
Hi URL,

What you're getting at is not new to me. I had a conversation with someone else about this 'hate site'. He came up with a spurious, half joking example from someone, and of course, a quote from Jim.

Jim does indeed hate Maharaji URL. He is perfectly entitled to hate him. He has every right and lots of reasons.

He is also very supportive of people who are coming out of the cult you're in. Why don't you ask one of your colleagues at work, or a friend who hasn't got knowledge to read through a few of Jim's posts with premies. Ask them who's fucked up.

It's almost like you go trawling through the posts to try and drag up bits of stuff, to justify your case of this place being full of hate.

It's not. It's a supportive environment for people who are leaving Maharaji. People like me. I'm amazed at the shit that's been dropping out of my head.

When you leave a cult, URL, you go through all sorts of wierd feelings as the penny starts to drop. It's so helpful to talk with, and listen to, other people who've gone through, or are going through, the same experience. You understand why you're feeling what you feel, and deal with it much better.

It's not a painful experience. I imagine it's a bit like a long term prisoner finally being let out of jail. Everything is a bit new, and raw. Your view and understanding of life is changing fast, as the chimney is unblocked and the smoke leaves your ears.

I really hope that you can experience this one day too URL.

So URL, I'm afraid you do have to lose an eye. It's the eye of a chicken. The one in the middle of your forehead.

Did you know if you draw a straight black line on a white piece of paper and hold a chicken down, it will become hypnotised and frozen.

You've got your third eye stuck on the floor at the feet of a very ordinary human being. But you think he's God.

So, 'Out vile jelly.'

Anth the Bard

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 19:25:45 (EDT)
From: URL
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: Re: Losing an eye.
Message:
[Jim] is also very supportive of people who are coming out of the cult you're in.

Jim's the biggest horse's ass I've ever had the misfortune of crossing paths with. Your support of his abusive and hate-filled antics reflects very badly on you Anth -- very badly.

Why don't you ask one of your colleagues at work, or a friend who hasn't got knowledge to read through a few of Jim's posts with premies. Ask them who's fucked up.

I have the respect of my collegues, some of whom ARE fucked up without having a cult as an excuse, and some of whom look to me regularily for support and as a sounding board for their own issues. I have too much respect for myself to ask 'one of my collegues' if I'm fucked up. Next thing you'll tell me I should ask them if I can go to the bathroom. Is that what you do?

It's not a painful experience. I imagine it's a bit like a long term prisoner finally being let out of jail. Everything is a bit new, and raw. Your view and understanding of life is changing fast, as the chimney is unblocked and the smoke leaves your ears. I really hope that you can experience this one day too URL.

You arrogant, paternalistic fuck! I don't know what you experienced as a premie but I have made great pains over the years to steer clear of blindly accepting without experiencing for myself. So I have never felt like I was in a prison and never had to look to self-styled preachers of humanistic enlightenment like yourself for their half-baked guidance. You clearly didn't take this precaution, which left you in -- dare I say -- the fucked up state you are in today.

You know Anth, everybody I've ever known who was fucked up was in a state of perpetual 'working on a few more issues'. Take a hard look in the mirror and ask who's REALLY fucked up.

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Date: Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 14:26:04 (EDT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Out vile jelly
Message:
URL,

I sense, aside from misunderstanding my post, you seem to be experiencing much anger.

As you may be aware, anger, desires and attachments, rob us of our eternal life. So why don't you stop indulging your mind and ego by posting on this forum, and spend more time practising, watching videos, and maybe take a part time job and send a little extra money.

You seem to have forgot. The Lord is walking on the planet.

Jai Sat Chit Anand Brother,

Anth (who still loves to give the premies satsang)

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Date: Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 21:42:42 (EDT)
From: URL
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: cute (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 01:22:24 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Don't mind Anth, Url
Message:
Please, Url, don't be so harsh on Anth. It's his manner, you know? A little harsh, a little insensitive. Sometimes, I admit, I do get a tad embarrassed by his crass disrespect for cult thinking. But don't forget, Url, he's not the only ex. Just like there are as many different flowers in the garland around a certain someone's neck, there are so many different ex personalities. Please Url, give us a chance. We're not all English for one thing.

(Webmaster, if you're reading this, maybe you can make sure all our posts have little flags next to our names just so no one forgets how unique we all are. You know, like they do over on ELK.)

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 09:47:28 (EDT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: All
Subject: EV is not a cult.
Message:
Time and time again people on this site say, 'I'm so glad to be out of the cult!' What cult? I don't see any cult!

There are no scriptures to follow, there is no party line, no fixed rules, no dietary restrictions, you can smoke if you got em, you can vote however you want. Maharaji has said that you can even be an atheist and practise Knowledge. I'm agnostic. People like Shp are probably more right wing. It's the EXPERIENCE of meditation that matters, not concepts.

If you don't believe me ask 10 Moonies the same question about their 'faith' and I'll bet you'll get 10 identicle answers. Ask 10 Scientologists the same question about their 'technology' and like a tape recorder you'll probably get the same 10 standard answers. Ask 10 Jehovah Witnesses about their 'religion' and you'll get the same verse and scripture from all 10.

On the other hand ask 10 premies the same question about Knowledge or Maharaji and I GUARANTEE that you will get at least 7 different answers, with maybe a couple of I don't knows, which are always refreshing.

So THERE, I'm NOT in a cult, nya nya nya, and I fart in your general direction you ex-premie pig-dogs.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 22:53:31 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Okay, if it's not a cult ...
Message:
... can you openly criticize the 'Master'? Can you even question him?
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 00:48:17 (EDT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Okay, if it's not a cult ...
Message:
Yes and yes. I received Knowledge not a lobotomy. And in the future I'd prefer if you used my outrageous moniker.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:38:56 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Oh yeah? Prove it.
Message:
Prove it. Tell me about some character flaw you've noticed in your 'Master'.
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Date: Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 20:37:01 (EDT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Proof!
Message:
Okay,

- I don't think he really understands what it's like to be poor, i.e., the degradation of living in poverty in a lousy neighbourhood, but then again neither do most rich people. Maybe it's an Indian thing.
- He seems to be a little too aloof from your average rank and file premie, maybe he does this reasons of security.
- He never admits to making mistakes. He obvoiusly calls the shots, but when anything goes wrong he never takes responsibility. Maybe he figures this would hurt his credibility. But just once I'd like to hear him say, 'Okay so I screwed up, but I'm doing the best I can.'

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Date: Sat, Sep 11, 1999 at 20:58:09 (EDT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Re: Proof -2!
Message:
Jim,

I also notice character flaws (areas where people don't match up to my expectations) in my co-workers, friends, wife, and kids too, but I don't viciously insult them, and call them fat, slimy hamsters, and the myriad of other absolutely fucking horrible names you regularly call Maharaji. I'm amazed you haven't been sued.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:43:32 (EDT)
From: Ben Lurking
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Re: Okay, if it's not a cult ...
Message:
You can feed a man or teach him how to fish and he can feed his guru for life
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 17:12:17 (EDT)
From: G lurking
Email: None
To: Ben Lurking
Subject: HA HA HA HA
Message:
Ben that is great...may I fix it up a bit....

You can take a man's food for his guru or you can teach him how to farm and feed his guru for life?

OR

You can take a man's last dime to go to a festival or you can sell him a video instead and he'll have more money to send to you for your jet.

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Date: Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 14:17:45 (EDT)
From: Jack (Rawat) Handy
Email: None
To: G lurking
Subject: Deep Thoughts
Message:
You can take a man and put him in an Ashram and take all his pay or you can set him free, let him get a good job, and take a lower percentage of a higher pay and make a bigger profit, plus he'll have a 401K...and maybe a will..with your name on it.

You can let a man kiss your feet and wear flowers and dance and the world may call you a cult leader, if you sell videos and talk about that experience, there is less publicity and your feet don't get so sore

You can let a premie come to a party in your garage and he'll think it is an honor. If you make your dog live in the garage he gets pissed off.

.

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Date: Fri, Sep 10, 1999 at 01:13:04 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: G lurking
Subject: These are great!
Message:
Maybe we should start a Wit and Wisdom page.
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 20:24:25 (EDT)
From: Queen Elizabeth II
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: And I'm not the Queen of England
Message:
End ay aim not amused!
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 18:02:13 (EDT)
From: Sheriff Cat
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: A question for you
Message:
So, what is your experience of knowledge?

What do you see on the back of your eyelids?

What do you hear besides your breath and blood and thoughts?

What have you tasted with your tongue back?

What does your breath do for you.?

Sure, have your view, but be honest about the techniques
to us in your answers.
It isnt like we havent spent time doing those things also.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 21:16:27 (EDT)
From: URL
Email: None
To: Sheriff Cat
Subject: Re: A question for you
Message:
Since you are asking, I'd like to jump in here if I may.

So, what is your experience of knowledge?

Sweet, consistent, full of kindness. The piece that completes the puzzle -- without question.

What do you see on the back of your eyelids?

It's not on the back of my eyelids but I 'perceive' something soft and nearly imperceptible -- something that I become more conscious of as I give myself to it. When I abandon myself into it I am filled with a subtle yet sublime peace.

What do you hear besides your breath and blood and thoughts?

Something that has always been there that permeates myself as I give myself to it.

What have you tasted ...?

I have on occasion tasted something subtle yet sweet but this is rare for me. More common is a very pleasant centering experience that deepens the experience of the other techniques.

What does your breath do for you.?

It is my refuge.

All in all the thing I have to remember is, in the time I am practising Knowledge I have to want the experience more than I want to think. Otherwise none of this happens.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:17:56 (EDT)
From: S.A.M.
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Great URL, but didn't you forget something?
Message:
Where's your goddamn gratitude (aka devotion)?
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 22:40:21 (EDT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: Thanks URL
Message:
URL,

Thanks for covering me. Good Stuff. I like the part about 'refuge.' I've always been a gimme shelter kind of guy.

To quote Micheal Stipe of REM, 'I need this....'

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 18:20:32 (EDT)
From: Hush
Email: secrets?@Youbet!
To: Sheriff Cat
Subject: Re: A question for you
Message:
Howdy Sheriff

Now you really don't expect to get an answer on this one do you?

That's like Taboo number 1 or 2 or ?

No premie will ever discuss the specifics of their experience. Ever. And certainly not in public.

C'mon, the suggestion not to ever discuss the specifics of your experience came straight from the top.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 10:50:01 (EDT)
From: Toby
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Re: EV is not a cult.
Message:
poor cult-victim
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 10:15:34 (EDT)
From: Pig Dog
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Question for premies
Message:
Deputy Dog would like 10 premies to answer a question about Knowledge and/or Maharaji. He claims that the answers would all be different and that would prove that premies are not in a cult. He says what really matters is the EXPERIENCE. I suggest that 10 premies answer two questions, one about Knowledge and one about Maharaji. (1) Please describe in 100 words or less the EXPERIENCE. (2) Maharaji says on his website that over the years he has evolved. Do you think he should continue to evolve, and if so, in what ways? Please give your answers without looking at the other responders first, to keep our experiment scientific. These are not trick questions. Answers will only be evaluated as to how they differ from one another. Remember you must be a bonafide practicing premie to participate. Thanks.
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 10:18:09 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Pig Dog
Subject: Good idea, PD
Message:
Can I hand out the pencils?
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 15:04:37 (EDT)
From: Teacher
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: NO, Jim. You cannot hand out the pencils because...
Message:
last time some students got their eyes poked out.
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 10:13:38 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: You're joking, right?
Message:
If you don't believe me ask 10 Moonies the same question about their 'faith' and I'll bet you'll get 10 identicle answers. Ask 10 Scientologists the same question about their 'technology' and like a tape recorder you'll probably get the same 10 standard answers. Ask 10 Jehovah Witnesses about their 'religion' and you'll get the same verse and scripture from all 10.

On the other hand ask 10 premies the same question about Knowledge or Maharaji and I GUARANTEE that you will get at least 7 different answers, with maybe a couple of I don't knows, which are always refreshing.

Premie 1: This is an experience of the life within. There are no concepts. I have no concepts. I don't even have the concept that there are no concepts. I don't even have the concept that I have the concpet that there are no concepts.....

I have gratitude. Gratitude and a master. Gratitude and a master and the licence to ask no questions. Questions? What questions? I have gratitude. Gratitude and appreciation and a master. The Master is beautiful. I love him. I have no questions......

Premie 2: This is an experience of the life within. There are no concepts. I have no concepts. I don't even have the concept that there are no concepts. I don't even have the concept that I have the concpet that there are no concepts.....

I have gratitude. Gratitude and a master. Gratitude and a master and the licence to ask no questions. Questions? What questions? I have gratitude. Gratitude and appreciation and a master. The Master is beautiful. I love him. I have no questions......

Premie 3: look, if you think you guys don't sound exactly alike go read ELK. Idiot.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 12:02:59 (EDT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: No I'm not joking!
Message:
Jim,

Remember I said you would get 7 different answers. That means 3 answers would be the SAME. The premies that post on ELK would definitely be in the card carrying 30%.

I don't post on ELK and in fact never dial it up. (Actually I dialed it up once and that was enough.) Believe me, most premies don't sound like the ones on ELK. I know it's hard for you ex-es rooted in the 70s to believe, (playing mahatma trivial pursuit no less!?!) but most premies I know (70%) are not like the ones who post on ELK.

All kinds of people practise Knowledge, devotional types (ELKers), athiests, agnostics, educated, non-educated, guys just getting by, people into their careers. I know a biker who is a premie and he would definitely not fit in at ELK.

People appreciate the experience of meditation, that is why they are still premies. That's one thing we all agree on. But there are all different types of premie personalities. It's just that the ELKers get all the publicity.

In fact Jim, come to think of it, I know practising premies who think about Maharaji a whole lot LESS than you do.

So go away and stop bothering me. We already have one!

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 16:15:02 (EDT)
From: URL
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Re: No I'm not joking!
Message:
I agree with you to a degree Dep. The contributions at ELK have been taken over by a few individuals. Kinda reminds me of people at nightly satsang who used to dominate the floor. On the other hand it's nice to have an avenue for people who want to express their feelings if and when they want to. I know when I visit that site I usually come away with a hit. Hey, beats wrestling with the million-headed tar-baby medusa at this site.
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 10:10:15 (EDT)
From: Brian
Email: brian@ex-premie.org
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Re: EV is not a cult.
Message:
Time and time again people on this site say, 'I'm so glad to be out of the cult!' What cult? I don't see any cult!
...
It's the EXPERIENCE of meditation that matters, not concepts.

No, actually, it's following Maharaji. Name a single 'guest speaker' featured at EV events who isn't named Maharaji. Name a person who is 'authorized' to reveal the all-important meditation techniques who either isn't named Maharaji or isn't 'authorized' by someone named Maharaji.

The experience is touted, but the thanks is all directed to Maharaji - not to God, not to the Universe, etc.

Someday Maharaji's gonna flop over dead on you and you're going to have to face the fact that 'enjoying life with Knowledge' isn't as enjoyable anymore when it now involves kissing someone's feet who isn't named Maharaji...

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 16:41:46 (EDT)
From: Roger Experience Drek
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: ***Best of Forum*** Happy Birthday!
Message:
Even if it wasn't your birthday your post would still be ***Best of Forum*** at Roger's House of Maharaji Drek.
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 17:12:18 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Roger Experience Drek
Subject: Re: ***Best of Forum*** Happy Birthday!
Message:
Hi Roger,

Thanks for the airtime.
Hope all is well with you and yours.

Shp

PS Since you like that phrase so much, I recently heard about some derivations of 'fuck you' coming from 'pluck yew' from a time when there were bows and arrows made of yew wood. War captives would have their middle fingers chopped off, thus making it impossible for them to ever shoot another arrow. Hence, the gesture of the middle finger, boasting of its yet attached owner's ability to use archery, and the cry, 'Pluck Yew!' Which later evolved to the present day etc etc etc. This is a digression from the f.u.c.k. that was written on the foreheads of those in stocks and pillories For Unlawful Carnal Knowledge.

I kind of like the bows and arrow story myself.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 17:25:37 (EDT)
From: Roger Pluck Yew Drek
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: Re: ***Best of Forum*** Happy Birthday!
Message:
Yes, I've heard the Pluck Yew one before a long time ago.

Thanks.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 17:36:49 (EDT)
From: Roger Paradise Drek
Email: None
To: Roger Pluck Yew Drek
Subject: I think that Paradise just burped. This message appears in two places (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 18:53:23 (EDT)
From: Shpeinstein
Email: None
To: Roger Paradise Drek
Subject: Re: I think that Paradise just burped. This message appears in two places (nt)
Message:
'Scuze me...I vas verking on ze korridor to und alternate univerze.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 01:08:45 (EDT)
From: Abner Louima (aka barney)
Email: None
To: Shpeinstein
Subject: SHP IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!
Message:
SHP,

You're back less than a week and already you're causing problems!

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 07:35:49 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Abner Louima (aka barney)
Subject: Re: SHP IT'S ALL YOUR FAULT!
Message:
Barney,

Nice too see you too. See ya round the campus, eh?

Shp

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 16:45:12 (EDT)
From: Abner Louima - One Tough Cop
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: Just don't come round the pool tables in the Student Union
Message:
Do you know how long a pool cue is?

You'd better keep to the religious section of the library or the school chapel.

Haven't I seen you playing the kazoo in the marching band?

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 19:57:12 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Abner Louima - One Tough Cop
Subject: Let's give brother Abner a rest.
Message:
Barney,

Let's agree to find other pseudonyms and metaphors to communicate besides brother Abner. I know I set this one into motion myself originally way back when I felt I was being treated (figuratively) like he was. Now I am asking for Abner's jersey to be hung in in his honor from the rafters for what he had to endure. I think and feel it would be better all the way around. Deal?

Shp

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 17:39:38 (EDT)
From: Roger Seeing-Double Drek
Email: None
To: Roger Paradise Drek
Subject: Oh, yeah! I have more power than ever. Double your fun.
Message:
Webmaster, I don't think that there is anything you can do or need to do.

Hey, this is kewl!

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 12:25:21 (EDT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Brian
Subject: Re: EV is not a cult.
Message:
Brian,

I don't kiss anyone's feet Mr. Rooted in the 70s (except for that girl I met in 82, but she liked it).

Maharaji is strongly associated with Knowledge for sure, but he is the menu not the meal. The Experience of Meditation is paramount as far as I am concerned. No spiritual materialism for me.

When I meditate I get in touch with ME. And when I flop over dead it's me who won't be able to enjoy life with Knowledge. So there Mr. 70s.

You people are still talking about Mahatmas for god's sake (yes I'm agnostic but I still use that phrase). In three months it's going to be 2000. The DLM you complain about was over 25 years ago. You are complaing about something that no longer exists.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 17:51:30 (EDT)
From: Riccochet Rabbit
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Bing, bing, bing
Message:
Maharaji is strongly associated with Knowledge for sure, but he is the menu not the meal.

Now that's an original statement, that and all this talk of the EXPERIENCE that only the chosen have access to. I wonder where you got these ideas?

Nope, sorry Deputy Dog, but I think you're in a bing, bing, bing, cult.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 22:03:28 (EDT)
From: Deputy Dog
Email: None
To: Riccochet Rabbit
Subject: Re: Bing, bing, bing
Message:
Thanks for your concern Rico but it just doesn't feel like I'm in a cult. It just feels like me hanging out. Perhaps I should get in contact with Ted Patrick? Maybe he could de-program me.
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 14:41:39 (EDT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: Deputy Dog
Subject: Re: EV is not a cult (whatever).
Message:
Some Mormons drink coffee; some Catholics don't heed the words of the Pontiff; some premies don't revere Guru Maharaj Ji? So what? Do we judge a religion by its fringe members? No. If you are in Guru Maharaj Ji's club and you genuinely regard GMJ so causually (and are not simply being disingenuous to cater to this site), you are not the usual premie. Sure, the cult/religion/whatever has been watered down a lot since the 70's, but although the Guru no longer wears a Krishna crown, I don't see any less devotion on rapturous premies' faces than I did twenty-five years ago.
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 16:46:39 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Correction: It's not devotion. It's gratitude now!
Message:
Nice post, Gregg.

In the future you need to replace the word devotion with gratitude to be in tune with Maharaji/DLM/EV doublespeak.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 16:07:41 (EDT)
From: URL
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Re: EV is not a cult (whatever).
Message:
...although the Guru no longer wears a Krishna crown, I don't see any less devotion on rapturous premies' faces than I did twenty-five years ago.

Nice to see the bliss (or rapture if you like) is still real even after the window dressing has faded into memory. Say was the bliss your focus when you were a premie, or was it the Krishna outfit?

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 22:08:32 (EDT)
From: Gregg
Email: None
To: URL
Subject: URL: Love Bomb from me to You
Message:
Flashback: 1976. Indianapolis. No Krishna crown. No foot-kissing darshan. Obvious attempt at mainstreaming the cult....uh...group. I was there. My rapture was identical to that I experienced with different costumes. I'm sure yours is too.

I am well aware that devotion to Maharaj Ji does not revolve around the external form. remember, I was once where you are now.

Devotion to Maharaj Ji revolves around an inner state which is truly blissful. I'll give you that. The nature of that state should be examined, though. Otherwise, you are the embodiment of that old saw: Ignorance is Bliss. How about this old saw: 'The unexamined life is not worth living.'

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 19:31:16 (EDT)
From: URL
Email: None
To: Gregg
Subject: Re: URL: Love Bomb from me to You
Message:
Ignorance is Bliss. How about this old saw: 'The unexamined life is not worth living.'

Some of us had the common sense to keep our eyes open all the way along. They saw the hole you fell in long ago. Where were you?

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 07:20:15 (EDT)
From: Christopher
Email: None
To: All
Subject: SOLID GOLD?
Message:
From: C

To: Robyn

PEN TO PAPER

Birds of a feather ...

Gaudian Bennett. This could take far too long for my liking. But who would prefer that?

Remember this: there may come a time when we all wish we’d been a bit quicker on the uptake.

The high road vs. the low road?

You could choose to czech out the myths of Odysseus, Calypso, PENelope et. al, but think of the shame that would bring if we identified with being gods. On the gods. Getting ordinary is the way to the extra-ordinary, if enlightenment is your bag. Identifying with the Ones we sometimes channel can be the road to the dangers of self-aggrandisement, but then again, if that’s your chosen path ...

Anyhow, somewhere along the line, a certain J Legard (who once said she’d like to cut me into little bits ... oxyrhinncus! who does SHE think I WAS?) is expecting a SCARf for f***’s sake, and her reward? to find out why, when she’s gasping for a tab - and resists - I get the sudden urge to light up? Or am I selling her down the Swanee?

This could be pushing the river, but to cut to the chase:

You a homin’ pidgin?

(Time flies like an arrow, ... but fruit flies like a banana).

Gerry probably (but I could be wrong), deserves some cream, if so, would he prefer it on a plate, in a bowl, auto-whipped, “on tap” or off the ceiling?. (I’ve heard he’s quite a tiger). As for symmetry, I find the sound of Tibetan bells ...

And thanks to Bill Blakie, you can try this one on for sighs, (or should that be scythes?)

“A robin redbreast in a cage
Puts all Heaven in a rage ...”

and for poor old Rawi:

“The man who never alters his opinion
is like standing water,
and breeds reptiles of the mind”

Nobody’s perfect. We all make mistakes. The point is to learn from them.

And for me?

At present, alternating moods of impatience and acceptance, and a slice of a colleague’s birthday cake.

Christopher

P.S. “Ad Hominem” apparently has something to do with a ‘BARNey’

Sincerely.

Getting pissed off with waiting again. (POW W....ow?)

Who was Godot anyway?

“Game” over? Then SET (Hail!) & good Luc.

P.S. A female swan is a pen, n’est-ce-pas? Who’s riposte would be to say “The sword is mightier ...” - or is that double-edged?

I might be jumping the gun. Or even trying to “push the river”, but then again, procrastination is often caused by the desire to avoid.
Exceptions ...? Who’s to say?

& finally (for today): wanna buy a QX5? (Does someone need to organise a whip-round?)

Zorro

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 15:19:46 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Christopher
Subject: Say what?
Message:
Very nice, but I didn't understand any of it. Not sure what you're saying about BARNey, yet am concerned.
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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 05:28:57 (EDT)
From: QUARTUS
Email: None
To: barney
Subject: Re: Say what?
Message:
Message was addressed to Robyn. Now this is what I call getting through more clearly.

To avoid any confusion, I am the same Christopher as above.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 08:13:01 (EDT)
From: Robyn
Email: None
To: QUARTUS
Subject: Re: Say what?
Message:
Dear Christopher,
Call me stupid dear but most of what you say is lost on me. I thought I almost understood some of this post but not understanding it freaked me out. I was going to stop posting but reading your newest thread I can tell you are an ex and so wouldn't be hateful of me being an ex. You do confuse me, get the pen thing now though but I can't keep writing to you if I don't understand what you are saying. You write like RT some but not as CLEAR! :) I also don't understand this message and I did get that you are Christopher Quartus but was surprized that you wanted to avoid confusion as that is what you usually do for me!
Love,
Robyn
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 02:40:14 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Who's the stupidest premie?
Message:
Here's what Mel said:

Jim: But what you're too chicken-shit to do is speculate about Maharaji. Why? Because you're afraid to.

Mel: What's there to speculate about Maharaji?

Whether he's God incarnate or not? Where does that lead us? Into pointless intellectual debate where all the differing opinions may not reflect the truth of the situation anyway.

Maybe yes and maybe no. The fact is, dorkus, you're afraid to go there.

Is he a fraud? Some, like you, will say 'yes' and put forward your reasons, and others, like me, will say 'no' and put forward our reasons.

What a fucking idiot! This, Mel, is called the BEGINNING of a discussion, not a reason to avoid one. Numbskull!!

Is he guilty of aiding and abetting the various alleged criminal activities you and others here are accusing him of. What's there to speculate about there? You've pushed your views on that and I'm inclined to disagree with them because they are unsubstantiated.

I'm speechless..... I feel like smashing my monitor but then I remember that you're not in it. Yeah, I hate all the assholes like you, Shp and all the rest. You're subhumans. I can't tell you how much I despise what you've settled into. I much prefer the company of the really 'bad' guys I defend. I swear to God. They have more substance than you slimy bugs.

What you call 'speculation' on Maharaji is, in fact, all the negative gossip, hearsay, lies and debunking that goes on here. So I'm not too frightened to 'speculate', I just can't be bothered agreeing with your speculation.

Of course I follow the 'speculative' comments here, I like to be informed what about what people think and provide some alternative, if unpopular, view points of my own (some even occassionally 'speculative').

The nub of the matter is, as usual, that I don't AGREE with your speculation

Once again, Jim, you moved so far out in the process of making some abstract point about me, that you've actually lost the context of your own argument. So your assertions about my fears regarding speculation are absolutely unfounded.

Who is stupider than you? Shp? Perhaps, but who's stupider than him? URL? I can't decide. Your'e all ugly, ugly casualities. Slimy, backbone-less ....

Have a nice day!

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 18:11:40 (EDT)
From: Stupid Mel
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Backbone......
Message:
Jim

I see your back to the personal abuse again (isn't there some Forum rule about this?)

What a fucking idiot.....

Numbskull.....

I feel like smashing my monitor but then I remember that you're not in it. Yeah, I hate all the assholes like you, Shp and all the rest. You're subhumans....

Your'e all ugly, ugly casualities. Slimy, backbone-less ....

All this in one post, too!

Jim, we may be everything you describe, but we certainly have enough backbone to stand up to the likes of you, so if you got that one wrong, how much credibilty can we put on your other assertions about us.

You have a nice day too, Jim

Mel

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 19:24:37 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Stupid Mel
Subject: Re: Backbone......
Message:
Hey Mel,

Relax. I was where you are with Jim now a few months ago. Please let me share my experience with you. If you can relate to it, then it could save alot of hassle. If not, then have your own experience. If you think Jim has broken rules, then go through proper channels. Going to him about it is like throwing another log on the fire.

He's pushing your buttons, man. He's knows what you are sensitive to and will press that button until it breaks off inside you, or until you put a keyguard lock on your buttons. You don't have to stand up to deal with Jim, you have to relax. If you are not uptight, he can't control you and take off with your energy. Be in the experience of Knowledge here, not just under the sheets. That's what it's all about. Sure, there are times to get heavy, but this is hardly the time or place. There is more than enough heaviness around here already. Bring balance and whatever you have to say, and repsect for even those who don't respect you. Love the person and hate the unconscious action. Break the loop so something new can manifest around here between premies and ex-premies, for Chirst's sake.

If you know you have a spine, then you don't have to worry about somebody saying you don't.

Sticks and stones can break your bones, but it takes two to tango and bless those who curse you.

By the way, there are other people here to dialog with. Nobody gets into you unless your house open your door and let them in, or leaving a window open or a door unlocked for thieves to break in. After shitting on my livingroom floor repeatedly, Jim isn't allowed that far into my house. If he wants to talk with me, I meet him on the lawn or the porch now. Then, if he gets nasty, I just step inside and shut the door. As long as he is cool, I can deal with him. He is bright and obviously has some very strong feelings he wants to share. I am open to listening, but not taking abuse. He has taught me alot about how to deal with people like him. He is an excellent teacher in his specialty.
Learn from him. You will be a stronger person for it.

Shp

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 06:07:13 (EDT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: Re: Backbone......
Message:
SHP

Thanks for your advice. I've been debating (arguing? quarrelling?) with Jim on and off for about 18 months or so, so I know how he operates. My post above is not as a result of anger or reaction, (I got over that long ago) but just pointing out (yet again) his predisposition for personal abuse when people don't see things his way or people disagree with him.

Jim is actually very sensitive and extremely defensive about his opinion. I'm not sure why, maybe the 'premie' in him is closer to the surface than he thinks, so he needs to fight the likes of you and I to surpress it. I think he had (has?) deep feelings for Maharaji (as do JM and others) and his outbursts come from that depth. I actually stand in awe of and respect the depth of 'ex' feelings, because I believe that their love for Maharaji must have been very strong while it existed, far stronger than mine.

Anyway, I certainly don't take Jim's tantrums that seriously, but it doesn't hurt to remind him that his abusiveness is not acceptable, and insulting people certainly doesn't win people to his cause.

Mel

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 07:42:50 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Re: Backbone......
Message:
Mel,

Yeah, what you said.

Shp

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 11:53:21 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: Do you guys have any idea?
Message:
Do you guys have any idea what you look like to the outside world? Don't think I don't show this page to various friends from time to time. Tell me, why do they always come back to me with near-disbelief that there could be adults as stupid as you premies? You two in particular, in fact. (Yes, Chris, Url and the rest get mentioned too.)

Why is that? Any idea? You know, it's not because I tell them who's who or what to think or say. But if they read the page for a bit they invariably comment on how idiotic the premies are. Why do you think that is?

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 20:10:22 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: More than you know
Message:
You know who you are,

Here is my lesson for the day, teacher:
The key phrase is '...to various friends of mine'.
You call your circle of various friends an accurate sampling of 'the outside world'?
Birds of a feather flock together, and out of context to boot.
Hoo boy, you are a piece of work. If you were a kid, I'd call you a real pisser!
You really do think the universe revolves around your asshole, don't you?
Thanks for the lesson, teacher of how to detect bullshit.
Next question?

You know who I am

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 19:11:30 (EDT)
From: X
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Do you guys have any idea?
Message:
> Why is that? Any idea? You know, it's not because I tell them who's who or what to think or say.

Is that part of the bondage game you guys are into?

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 17:35:55 (EDT)
From: Mr Idea
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Do you guys have any idea?
Message:
Do you guys have any idea what you look like to the outside world?

Er, Beavis and Butthead? Heh, heh... heh, heh... heh, heh...

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 08:30:12 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Re: Who's the stupidest premie?
Message:
Uhhhhh...drool....dis is Shp.
Can I have some more crayons?
Dat big man over dere called me stoopid, da one who
Sez fuck alot and sez bad things to peeple to try to hurt them.
Gee, I wish I cud be az smart as him someday.
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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 08:40:45 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: Believe me, Shp, you're not far off
Message:
Shp,

If we consider content and not just style and grammar, you're pretty close. You really do sound like an idiot. Oh I know, you're an 'idiot for God' or something. Yeah, whatever....

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 10:42:35 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Re: Believe me, Shp, you're not far off
Message:
Jim,

I want to thank you for teaching me how to lock my keypads.
You know, like the lock on the cellular phones that won't let
someone fuck around with your buttons or hit one accidentally?
Your constant insult-based bombardment of my person to make your points has
made me more vigilant of those who would use anything and everything including
the kitchen sink to attempt malign, demean, degrade, and otherwise trash my person,
my faculties,and my viewpoint. So I am learning to learn from everyone. I thought I
already had rhino skin, but you have really been a great help to make it much thicker.
Now I can endure more shit in this world unaffected and still be able to function consciously,
unblinded by anger or a wish to retaliate. Rhino Skin, being a semi-permeable membrane,
will still allow thoughts and ideas to pass back and forth, never impeding the thought or feeling
processes, while at the same time protecting the inner being from loveless and malicious attacks
from powerdrunk egos. And patience. I have gained more of that from dealing with you as well. Thank you for that too.

Your words about hanging with the 'bad guys' being preferable to myself and some others you mentioned did not go unnoticed. It's just I feel that you judge too quickly and too harshly, and lump most all premies together, a form of bigotry. I don't feel that you look upon premies as individuals with journeys (whether they are posted here or not) of their own that brought them to where they are. And you don't know how to relate. You don't deal with people from where they are at. You demand that whoever you are talking to comes to you, in blind faith, because you are so intense or something. No middle ground. Maybe on the first one or two posts you extend your mini-welcome wagon, and then out comes the shotgun. Well, intensity is not enough to relate. Sometimes it can destroy the very thing that you are trying to accomplish.

I happen to agree with you that hanging with people of intensity is usually more interesting than hanging with people without intensity. Depending on the situation of course. Even that old con artist Jesus who was bullshitting himself and everybody else according to you, expresses that same sentiment. He said be hot or cold but not tepid, or he will spit you out. That's one thing you don't have to lose any sleep over. You are definitely not tepid.

Yeah, go hang out with the 'bad guys' as you call them. But don't be surprised if, after a few intense exchanges, they tell YOU to go fuck yourself, to coin a phrase. Not because you are necessarily all right and they are all wrong, but because of your big fat ego trip.

Being gentle is a stronger position to be coming from than the way you manifest, whatever the issue may be that we are discussing. And gentleness, for all its outer lack of flash, can be very intense indeed. You are teaching me this bigtime. Sure, there's a time to take up the sword, but no self-respecting knight walks around 24/7 with his weapon hanging out. And no cop walks around with his gun drawn constantly. So Mr. Enforcement of this site, do take a chill. Take your alter ego's advice, for the rest of your life.

I will have dialog with you if you wish and will strive to stay on topic. From time to time I will need to shower off and take a break. The frequency of those shower breaks will be determined by the quality and content of your communication.

Respectfully and gratefully submitted,
Shp
(I can hear Roger's computer warming up now.)

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 17:52:29 (EDT)
From: Fair Maiden
Email: None
To: Shp
Subject: Just WHAT are you saying?
Message:
Sure, there's a time to take up the sword, but no self-respecting knight walks around 24/7 with his weapon hanging out.

Ooh, I swoon at the implications. And just why don't they? Personally, I wouldn't mind.

Ooh.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 09, 1999 at 20:22:12 (EDT)
From: Shp
Email: None
To: Fair Maiden
Subject: Re: Just WHAT are you saying?
Message:
Then 'hang out' with Jim and his band of 'various merry friends' from the 'outside world'.

I will watch my syntax for suggestive phrases, fair Maiden. But then again, the beauty is in the eye of the beholder....see, you could even make something really perverse from that too.

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 08:29:11 (EDT)
From: Jim's early in the morning alter ego
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Chill, buddy. Take it easy. Relax
Message:
Jim,

Hwo can you get so worked up talking to these cult members? You seem so genuinely disappointed that they don't have their gears engaged and never let the car ever drive anywhere. Jim, buddy, you've heard the phrase 'in his clutches'? Well, in this case Maharaji's got his foot down 'on their clutches'. Pretty good, eh? Come on, Jim, don't give me this shit. That's a pretty good little joke for this time of morning. What's wrong with you? What are you doing up so early anyway? You need a vacation or what? What's that? You say you just had a vacation? Jim, seeing your family and Barney at Bumbershoot is nice but really, bud, that ain't no vacation. By the way, though, how was Robyn Hitchcock? Just okay? Well, sOORry! Forgive me for asking! Sheesh!

Anyway, Jim, you've got to realize sooner or later that these are not fully functioning adult minds. Would you get into an argument with lab rats? No? Well then what are you doing here? Come on, man, you've been down this road so often. Let some of the new people cut their teeth a bit, if they like, on these premie fools. You've been there and really, you've got better stuff to do, don't you?

Jim?! Hey, are you even listening to me?

Shit! Are you posting again? To whom? About what?

Oh well, might as well be talking to a brick wall....

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Date: Wed, Sep 08, 1999 at 16:52:45 (EDT)
From: barney
Email: None
To: Jim's early in the morning alter ego
Subject: Careful there Alter Ego
Message:
Hey, the name barney ® © ™ is protected and its use requires permission and payment to the owner.
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