Forum V: Archive
Compiled: Tues, Oct 03, 2000 at 09:16:19 (GMT)
From: Sep 18, 2000 To: Sep 29, 2000 Page: 5 Of: 5


Tonette -:- Let's help Nick's family -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:00:13 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- okay bad idea! nt -:- Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 07:51:13 (GMT)
__ __ Nigel -:- well meant, but wrong way about it (IMO) nt -:- Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 01:23:57 (GMT)
__ Jim -:- Why? -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:20:57 (GMT)
__ Curious -:- Whatever happen to -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 07:32:33 (GMT)
__ __ Mare -:- Whatever happen to -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:07:29 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- Let's help Nick's family -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:25:53 (GMT)
__ __ Tonette -:- That's a great idea! -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:29:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Nigel -:- Is it? -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:18:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- agree with Nigel -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 08:54:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- They won't. -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:46:27 (GMT)

Ted Farkel -:- I got auto-knowledge and it's great!!!! -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:31:51 (GMT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- *BEST* I be scooping from bottom of the barrel -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 02:22:25 (GMT)
__ __ Jean-Michel -:- I don't intend to interfere ! -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 07:24:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Nobody interferes with Roger eDrek! -:- Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 00:17:02 (GMT)
__ Roger eDrek -:- Ted, can you Napsterize that K-DV? -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:18:20 (GMT)
__ Joseph Campbell -:- WOW!Must read for all seekers of truth!!! nt. -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:54:54 (GMT)

Rob -:- Please, no more Orgazms -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:33:42 (GMT)
__ The observant -:- A reply to your previous question -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 07:54:19 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- OK, you answered ONE of them -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:32:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ The observant -:- The answer is there (nt) -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 23:10:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ ExTex -:- The answer is there (nt) -:- Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 18:05:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Salam -:- The answer is there (nt) -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 04:04:30 (GMT)
__ ExTex -:- More SELFISH BLISS! (nt) -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:42:55 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- So, a form of autism? -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:58:05 (GMT)
__ __ Monmot -:- So, a form of autism? No. It's called Rawautism.. -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:09:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Rawautism - this phrase needs to become standard -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:24:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Monmot -:- Rawautism - this phrase needs to become standard -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:38:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- And they wonder why we sound a little angry -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:51:21 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- Could be onto something Tonette -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:22:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- Sounds like a splendid idea -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:26:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Monmot -:- Don't forget your Kelvar vest nt -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:34:28 (GMT)

Rob -:- Just a coincidence...... -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:06:04 (GMT)
__ Nigel -:- I think you're all missing the obvious... -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 11:17:08 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- it's hard to type sometimes -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:50:56 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- it's hard to type sometimes -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:16:03 (GMT)
__ __ Roger eDrek -:- I'm sure it was deemed the sensible thing to do -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:00:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- I think that is not true. -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:58:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Rob -:- Couldn't find it -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:58:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Damnit, Rob! I relied on you. -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 20:11:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- My grandmother said to me, always check -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 04:10:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Salam, that's a long story... -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 05:17:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Yep, that is the site. I have downloaded -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 13:10:12 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Salam -:- Couldn't find it -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:09:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ Rob -:- How about this notion: -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:20:22 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- or how about Colonel Kurtz gone mad? -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:24:09 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Monmot -:- Colonel Kurtz avec Purple Haze... -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:32:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- Still laughing. -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:06:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ gErRy -:- Hey Admin Buddy -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:21:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Forum Administrator -:- Hey Admin Buddy -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 02:48:26 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Bring back the House of eDrek -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 14:45:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Nah, Admin Buddy, thanks anyways -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 04:11:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Gibraltar -:- sniff... (nt) -:- Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 19:03:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Shri Anthji -:- No island is an island... -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 22:00:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- But Roger, your public needs you... -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 15:02:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Nah, I don't think so, gEr -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 20:08:53 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- You're wrong, Roger (ot) -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 09:02:01 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gErRy -:- You're wrong, Roger (ot) -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 15:46:14 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- No, it wasn't those, Gerry...sheesh -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 17:26:39 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Katie, I know that, but your request is exactly... -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 20:16:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Katie -:- Hi Roger -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 21:38:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- I'm just being dramatic by calling it political -:- Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 03:50:10 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry the (s)lobbiest -:- It's really up to the Forum Admin and J-M, right? -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 23:20:38 (GMT)

Rob -:- I'm starting to collect your posts Mel, -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 01:37:53 (GMT)
__ Mel Bourne -:- I'm starting to collect your posts Mel, -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:03:26 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- I'm gonna need a bigger hard drive Mel -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 07:46:48 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- FA!!! ROB THREATENED ME!!!!! -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:34:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Forum Administrator -:- Rob, you're banned too! -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:36:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Rob -:- Thought they were the only premie posters here -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:44:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Forum Administrator -:- That was 2 dollars-worth... (nt) -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:51:19 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Rob -:- Jim, that was a reward, not a punishment :[ nt -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:55:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ Salam -:- Have You tried disk compression and zipping?..nt -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 12:13:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- I'm gonna need a bigger hard drive Mel -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 08:25:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ ExTex -:- Are You DODGING/IGNORING My Post To You? -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 03:31:51 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Are You DODGING/IGNORING My Post To You? NO.... -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 10:10:13 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ ExTex -:- Are You DODGING/IGNORING My Post To You? YES! -:- Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 03:18:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Rob -:- Oh now I'm completely crushed -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:10:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Oh now I'm completely crushed -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 10:04:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Olympic condoms (ot) -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 12:00:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- HA HA HAAAaaaaaa!!!! nice one, Anth (nt) -:- Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 19:05:54 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ gerry -:- MelBoring strikes back...a giant TSK,TSK,TSK... -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:33:28 (GMT)
__ __ ExTex -:- MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION MEL? -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:36:57 (GMT)
__ Salam -:- you know what to do when you do. -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:49:12 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- Thank you -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 01:49:06 (GMT)
__ __ Rob -:- You're welcome T., -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:08:44 (GMT)

This Just In: -:- A Letter to the Students from Maharaji -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 22:55:24 (GMT)
__ Lotus Eater -:- Dear Master, tell me more about your business plan -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 21:09:05 (GMT)
__ __ cq -:- just wait till he gets demands for refunds! (nt) -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 19:01:45 (GMT)

Pauline Premie -:- I am grateful for being reminded about gratitude -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 20:30:32 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- This is a joke.........right? nt -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 01:33:29 (GMT)
__ Paul P.W.K. -:- Thank you, Pauline -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 21:02:48 (GMT)
__ __ Pauline Premie -:- Paul, don't get too intellectual, okay -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 21:23:37 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- This thread and the hubcap one are sooo funny! -:- Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 14:20:25 (GMT)
__ __ __ Well, I guess that means -:- your letter won't be published. -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 00:32:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ Simon Satsang -:- I don't love you Pauline -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 00:11:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Pauline, I'm gonna burst your bubble here... -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 00:02:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Larkin -:- Synchronised swimming (ot) -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 18:46:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ AJW -:- Path of realisation is paved with bankers orders -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 11:25:45 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ ExTex -:- burst your bubble here...That was BRILLIANT! (nt) -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:47:34 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Roger eDrek -:- Thank you, and AJW says it so simply as well -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 22:54:53 (GMT)

Jean-Michel -:- Don't miss this ! -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 14:51:20 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- Thank you but when is EV ....... -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 01:38:36 (GMT)
__ cq -:- Don't miss this ! -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 18:40:28 (GMT)
__ __ Bill -:- Thank you JM for this excellent work-nt -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 00:06:00 (GMT)

Jim -:- Oh my god! Just count all the buzzwords! -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 05:23:24 (GMT)
__ Rob -:- Oh it gets better Jim:- -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:48:43 (GMT)
__ __ ExTex -:- Oh it gets better Jim:- Boil That Down -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:55:04 (GMT)
__ Yves' is out to lunch -:- An automatic satsang generator is possible. -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 17:23:42 (GMT)
__ Joe -:- Oh my god! Just count all the buzzwords! -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:23:27 (GMT)
__ __ Jim -:- In defence of that premie's mind ..... -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:29:58 (GMT)
__ __ __ Joe -:- In defenc(s)e of that premie's mind ..... -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:44:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ bill -:- Joe and Jim -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:36:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Jim -:- Canadian, nothing, he's from Victoria (nt) -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 00:45:12 (GMT)
__ __ Joe -:- I counted 24! (nt) -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:24:34 (GMT)
__ Tonette -:- Are premies all slightly autistic? -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 14:15:25 (GMT)
__ __ Carol -:- A very incomplete definition! -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 21:27:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ G -:- secretin -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 02:14:35 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Carol -:- secretin -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 17:31:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Was that really necessary, Carol? -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:28:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- Really necessary, Jim. And you, Gerry -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 18:20:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- That's nuts, Chris (nt) -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 20:27:49 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- Oh, go and laugh at quote 'cripples' then (nt) -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 18:34:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ gerry -:- Oh piss off Carol -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 14:23:59 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Katie -:- Gerry, I agree with Carol in this -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 08:17:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- How come I'm not surprised... -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 15:58:11 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- How come I'm not surprised... -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 18:41:30 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- That wasn't an 'I' statement, chris -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 23:45:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- An 'I' statement? as in ... -:- Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 18:36:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ gerry -:- An 'I' statement? as in ... -:- Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 05:22:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Now THAT wasn't precious, Katie. No way (nt) -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 15:56:18 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Carol -:- Where did you get that 'too precious' jibe? -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 17:39:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- Listen, I did not mean to offend. -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:43:17 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Steve -:- I assume you were a premie Tonette. -:- Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 13:45:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- But premies ARE figuratively autistic! -:- Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 15:01:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- I think you owe the REAL autistics an apology (nt) -:- Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 18:40:57 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Chris -- if you can read this -- I'm sorry (nt) -:- Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 00:51:03 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Steve -:- You sensitive little flower Jimmy nt -:- Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 16:55:15 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ cq -:- In case you might have missed my reply to Mel ... -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 18:33:02 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Carol -:- Listen, I did not mean to offend. -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:12:38 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Jim -:- Do you really think people are that stupid? -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 20:31:07 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Carol -:- Not all people! -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 17:35:08 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ cq -:- You'll have to make an exception for Jim ... -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 18:30:56 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- More like closed mindedness -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:49:03 (GMT)
__ __ Mel Bourne -:- Are premies all slightly autistic? -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:19:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ ExTex -:- Are premies all slightly autistic? -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:14:55 (GMT)
__ __ __ JohnT -:- Are premies all slightly autistic? -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 21:17:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ cq -:- 'What arrogance'? shouldn't that be 'ignorance'? -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 19:21:21 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- Hit a nerve did I? -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:34:31 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Hit a nerve did I? Certainly did !!! -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:59:44 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- Mel, Mel, Mel -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:43:41 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ hamzewn -:- But what about the original post Mel? -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 17:35:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- But what about the original post Mel? -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 18:05:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Tonette -:- Are you threatening me? -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:56:46 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ __ Mel Bourne -:- Mo I'm not threatening you. -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 08:34:40 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ hamzen -:- But I thought 'it' was a uniquely individual -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 22:17:32 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Jerry -:- I don't find premies autistic -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 19:51:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ Jim -:- Mel uses BIG WORD! -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:24:12 (GMT)
__ Sir Dave -:- Oh my god! Just count all the buzzwords! -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 13:41:29 (GMT)
__ __ Joe -:- Good Dave, How about...another translation -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:33:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- That's too funny! -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:41:36 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ ExTex -:- That's too funny! AND ACCURATE! (NT) -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:31:35 (GMT)
__ __ Mel Bourne -:- Oh my god! Just count all the buzzwords! -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:10:20 (GMT)
__ __ __ Sir Dave -:- I mean, what can I say? -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 12:17:28 (GMT)
__ __ __ Tonette -:- Oh I guess you never. -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:12:04 (GMT)
__ __ __ X -:- Oh my god! a little sweat -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 18:39:00 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Oh my god! a little pratt -:- Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 19:35:33 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ X -:- Oh my -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 19:45:05 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ Sir Dave -:- Sorry, I misspelt the 5th word in above post (nt) -:- Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 00:20:24 (GMT)
__ __ __ __ __ __ X -:- in the heat of the moment -:- Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 19:46:48 (GMT)


Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:00:13 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Let's help Nick's family
Message:
Time to put our money where our mouth is.
I did not know Kate or Nick but obviously alot of you did. I respect Nick for his devotion but most of all I want to see something expressed to his family.
How about collecton time?
Any better ideas? Mail me a contribution to my home address and I will forward it to Nick's widow. Does anyone have her address?
If noone knows her address this is a mute point. Yes, I will give my address here. Is there a better way? Perhaps publishing Nick's address and mailing it directly?
The ball is in this court-but I think we should do something!
If everyone just gave a dollar. That could be quite a tidy sum!
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Date: Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 07:51:13 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: okay bad idea! nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 01:23:57 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: nigel@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Tonette
Subject: well meant, but wrong way about it (IMO) nt
Message:
sdf
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:20:57 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Why?
Message:
Tonette,

I'm sure your heart is in the right place and everything, but what exactly is it you want to 'express' to his family?

Sorry, I don't get it.

(P.S. it's 'moot')

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 07:32:33 (GMT)
From: Curious
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Whatever happen to
Message:
Gail?
.
Mary, the last time I saw her as a regular contributor here you were trying to become her buddy with your invitations to chill out on the beach. Did the monster come out and scare her?
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:07:29 (GMT)
From: Mare
Email: None
To: Curious
Subject: Whatever happen to
Message:
Huh? Have I missed the gist of this thread?

Mare aka (Psychological Success Story ;-)

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:25:53 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Let's help Nick's family
Message:
How about posting a letter on elk.

To Kaite

From all exes with love,

In this time, we the exes have learned of NICK' passing away. We want to extend our condolences and sympathy to you for the loss of NICK.

Some of us knew him, some did not, but from all of us, we want to tell you that we fell your sorrow and we want to share our feeling with you and your family and wish you the strength to continue,

Love from all of us.

On behalf of all the exes

[...]

Do you think that elk will put their guns for this time only?


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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:29:48 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: That's a great idea!
Message:
But I would still like us all to send something tangible. So much of the Maharaji mind fuck was completely untangible! A letter would be beautiful. That is if they would post it for us.
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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 01:18:59 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Tonette
Subject: Is it?
Message:
A letter of condolence would be good, but only from people who knew Nick - and done privately. Anything else might be unwarranted intrusion, no matter how heartfelt.

enjoyinglife.org is a public arena. Pass comment as you will on anything posted there (they certainly won't publish anything you send them - so best do it here if you need to). But I strongly recommend everybody leave the family alone. They have enough on their plate already.

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 08:54:59 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Nigel
Subject: agree with Nigel
Message:
Especially having been in this situation. It is nice to get personal sympathy cards, but anything else can be an intrusion. Also, the idea of collecting money for the family is noble, but might be seen as intrusive and insulting, especially since no one has asked for it.
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:46:27 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: They won't.
Message:
But if you get to send her a postcard, include my name.
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:31:51 (GMT)
From: Ted Farkel
Email: None
To: auto knowledge
Subject: I got auto-knowledge and it's great!!!!
Message:
Hey guys,or hi y'all, as they say down south.My name's Ted Farkel and I'm a new premie.I just received the new improved 'auto Knowledge' from a dv player and I'm already feeling gratitude and am excited about participation too!

OK, I know what you're thinking, who's Ted Farkel, and what's he doing here at EPO?
Let me explain....
I'm a life long resident of Mobile,Alabama.My daddy and me and my brother,we all own and operate a transmission repair shop in Shaft, just outside Mobile.
I'm really just a nice country boy/redneck/regular guy,and am really new to all this spiritual stuff.
Anyway, about 6 months ago,an old friend sent me an introductory video of maharaji.My friend thought I might be 'looking for something',and asked me to check it out.
Well,I was sceptical at first, but after watching videos for a few weeks,I sprung for the satellite feeds at the shop.Hell,they were only $50/month, a real bargain comnpared to people paying $20/week in some places, so I figured I ought to jump on that opportunity real fast and sign up before they raised the prices or something like that.
Heck, can you even put a price on LOVE anyway?Like all the premies(except those who are too lazy to practice), I am just so overwhelmed by the amount of such pure love coming from our master,maharaji.The videos are such a pure channel for his pure love and wisdom and grace.

So,here's why I'm here...
I guess Rodney King said it all when he said 'Why can't we all just get along?'
I was just wondering, couldn't a few of you exes just practice the 4 sacred techniques a few more times and see how beautiful our master and the supreme knowledge really is?

Like today...I just woke up and started with number one.The light was so bright, it really was brighter than 10,000 sun, and after that, I saw all the masters in a lotus petal inside the light.And the succession was just like they said, from krishna to buddha to jesus all the way to swami sarupanand.It's funny, because after sarupanand, it went to some guy named varganand, not shri hans....
But that's Ok, it really was a beautiful experience. And who am I to question my lord?
After that, I stuck my thumbs in my ears and heard angels singing and divine harmonies too.In fact, these were the very same harmonies that Beethoven and Mozart heard, even though one of them was deaf....all that just by stickjing my thumbs in my ears for a few minutes..our lord really is merciful, don't you think?
And then I got on that good ole Word, or number 3, and experienced a sort of divine orgasm, as the energy of life passed through my body and I experienced total oneness with everything in the entire universe...all the plants and animals and insects and oceans and stars too! Just from following my brteath and thinking 'so hung'.Once again, our Lord has thought of everything and given us so much more than we could ever repay him..
And then that 4th one...Oh god,it's just too much.I never thought that I could know god by swallowing my own snot!God certainly does work in strange ways, doesn't he?
It's just like maharaji says:I looked in all these places in the world and lo and behold, here was god, right under my own pillow, in my snot!
What a pleasant surprise!
And like my daddy pointed out,when I get a cold, and have lots of mucus, I'll feel even closer to god!(Daddy's still an aspirant)

So, if ole Ted Farkel from Mobile, Alabama can have these great experiences, how about a few of you exes giving it the good ole college try?
It's so true, we can never,ever repay him for that grace!
I mean, I intend to try, by sending in my $50/month on the visa card, but still, can we ever repay him enough?
To be in THAT experience, of HIS love, and then to be able to serve HIM?
Like maharaji says, how dare we be confused in this life?
By his grace, I realized that it's not my life anyway.
maharaji gave me life, and I just have to give it back to him.
And he asks so little of all of us...

I even wrote a little poem expressing my gratitude for the gift of practice, which leads to my synchronized participation....

'Sometimes I don't know who I am,
or what I'm doing...
But then I see your face,
and realize that I don't care....'

Doesn't that just about say it all?
Anyway, that's about it for now, brothers and sisters...

How bout all of us gettin our of our minds and into THAT love, by HIS grace....

TED Farkel
Mobile, Alabama

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 02:22:25 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Ted Farkel
Subject: *BEST* I be scooping from bottom of the barrel
Message:
Drek dredges the ***Best from the Bottom of the Barrel*** from the Forum.

I have neglected my duties of collecting the ***BEST*** of the Forum since I had a change of venue from there to here which is somewhere closer than I used to be, but...

I prefer the not-so-serious stuff anyway and this Post from Ted Farkel is what I like to read. I'm afraid if I don't rescue these lesser children that they will end up as forgotten guttersnipes.

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 07:24:03 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: I don't intend to interfere !
Message:
with you .....

Maybe I'm a bit too serious?

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Date: Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 00:17:02 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Nobody interferes with Roger eDrek!
Message:
No, J-M, just do what you want on the BEST.

I'll pick up what I want when I can. My time and my effort is limited. I don't have my shop set up as I had it before and I had a nice automated program doing much of the work for me. So, without the ***BEST*** program it's a lot more work.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:18:20 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Ted Farkel
Subject: Ted, can you Napsterize that K-DV?
Message:
TED,

Welcome to the Forum and don't be afraid of us and don't believe what the old 1970's hardcore vintage premies say about us. No, TED, you are the kinder and gentler Knowledge baby taking your first little steps into Maharaji's Weird Whirled of Knowledge.

We can help you, TED. We can help you avoid the pitfalls of overzealous confusion that was the reason that so many premies became ex-premies.

You need to understand the times, TED Farkel. We were hippies from the 60's and 70's and we were addicted to drugs. Had it not been for the grace of our Living Lord, Maharaji, we all would have overdosed on heroin. Yes, TED, that is the way it was back then. All of us - strung out on heroin heading for the big DOA OD style. No Narcan back then. Nope, only Guru's Grace.

Alas, it is too late for us to live in Maharaji's Whirled of Knowledge. We fucked up and we were called but not choosen. We never did give it a fair chance. We never surrendered our minds to Maharaji. Whoa, I shouldn't be telling you this stuff. Oh boy! No, siree! See, TED Farkel, that's exactly what I'm talking about - that hardcore devotion Hindu confusion. That was entirely our own doing and that's what happened to us.

It wasn't Maharaji at all. No, we made Maharaji tell us that he was God. We dressed up this poor innocent country boy from India in a Krishna costume and a crown and we sang songs to him, we kissed his sweaty little feet. We told him that we would send him back to India with nuthin' if he didn't proclaim that he was greater than God.

Yes, TED Farkel, WE WAS ON DRUGS! We could barely think straight enough to wipe our own asses back then. And, TED Farkel, that's what happened to us. And the sad thing is that it is too late for us. The opportunity for THAT love and THAT bliss is gone. The door has slammed shut. Otherwise, TED Farkel, we would take up your suggestion to practice the holy techniques. But we can't, you see. Some of us getting splitting headaches when we practice number one.

So, TED Farkel, it's up to you to help us tired old drug addicts. We're really just a bunch of sore losers, born quiters. Yet we're all secretly wishing that we was young and new, sweet and naive and feeling good about the World. And that's where you, TED Farkel, come in. You just let us have a copy of that there Knowledge DV so we can get us a Knowledge Refresher and you keep them good words coming about how much you appreciate the Master and his gift? And if we all get synchronized I think that some good things can happen here.

Wouldn't that be really beautiful, TED Farkel?

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:54:54 (GMT)
From: Joseph Campbell
Email: None
To: Ted Farkel
Subject: WOW!Must read for all seekers of truth!!! nt.
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:33:42 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Please, no more Orgazms
Message:
From the latest batch of ELK eggs:


My life

I live for my life not for things happening in it.

Jean Orgaz
Tel Aviv, Israel

Could explain why Mom didn't get any flowers on her birthday, or Junior hit his first Little League home run without an eager parent cheering....?

But it's not a cult, is it? Oh, no........

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 07:54:19 (GMT)
From: The observant
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: A reply to your previous question
Message:
Hi Rob
I answered your question tou asked in a previous tread
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:32:59 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: The observant
Subject: OK, you answered ONE of them
Message:
Quite a reasonable reply to a question about your experience of K, actually.

But what of the initial questions? Which were:

'(Have) you have posted under any other 'nick names'.

(As) for your real name - you could have given it and added considerable weight to your argument.

(You went)on the defensive about 'outing'. Why? To what are you referring?'

Your reply was:

For strong personal reasons I do not want to discuss my person. I hope this will be respected.

Well that takes care of the second question, and that's fine, we don't have to discuss *your person* if you don't wish to.

But what's your answer to the questions about using other nicknames and outing?

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 23:10:01 (GMT)
From: The observant
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: The answer is there (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Sat, Sep 23, 2000 at 18:05:20 (GMT)
From: ExTex
Email: None
To: The observant
Subject: The answer is there (nt)
Message:
Yea....like the rest of your ilk....
The answer is NO ANSWER!
Supreme LAMENESS!
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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 04:04:30 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: The answer is there (nt)
Message:
Rob,

You might get an answer quicker from a dead tree log.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:42:55 (GMT)
From: ExTex
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: More SELFISH BLISS! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:58:05 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: So, a form of autism?
Message:
I live my life not for things happening in it.

'withdraw into a private world of fantasy and be unable to communicate with others or respond to the real environment.'

Close but maybe no cigar. I still wonder though. Will make a hell of a dissertation for me though!

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:09:46 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: So, a form of autism? No. It's called Rawautism..
Message:
No wonder poetry's got such a bad rap.
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:24:53 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Monmot
Subject: Rawautism - this phrase needs to become standard
Message:
Good one, Monmot!

Let's standardize this term as part of the standard lexicon. I can imagine that it might be pretty irritating to the MASTER.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:38:25 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Rawautism - this phrase needs to become standard
Message:
Maybe we can get the American Psychological Association to enter it into the DSM V (or whatever number they're on now). I could've used it lo those many years ago when I was in therapy trying to flush out the pipes clogged with the sludge of SS&M, Special K, M, and the massive debt, not incurred by me but by my fellow PWKs, which I was saddled with. The insurance reimbursements would've come in handy.
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:51:21 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Monmot
Subject: And they wonder why we sound a little angry
Message:
'Ello kiddies!

sludge of SS&M, Special K, M, and the massive debt, not incurred by me but by my fellow PWKs

A fine time had by all (if your name was Rawat.)

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:22:46 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Could be onto something Tonette
Message:
Maybe you should trawl ELK for other examples?
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:26:51 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Sounds like a splendid idea
Message:
I will troll the ELK site. Have a feeling this is a tip of an iceburg. Now, whether it's true or not, I'll let you all decide. Just keep the Shroom's and Mel's off my back. I'm not here for war!
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:34:28 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Don't forget your Kelvar vest nt
Message:
mmm good
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:06:04 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Just a coincidence......
Message:
Looks like Mike 'The Mushroom' Fronke's expression of THAT love and THAT gratitude has disappeared from ELK.

The Lord moves in mysterious ways, huh?

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 11:17:08 (GMT)
From: Nigel
Email: fitzroy@liverpool.ac.uk
To: Rob
Subject: I think you're all missing the obvious...
Message:
..that MF asked to have his post removed. If you remember its content, re. 'finally found somewhere on the internet where it is worth spending time...' etc.

Followed by his self-outing here as 'Shroom, the forum's most verbally incontinent premie...

Well, wouldn't you be embarrassed..?

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:50:56 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: it's hard to type sometimes
Message:
because this forum makes me 'bust a gut.' At least all of shroom's 'knowledge' (postings) is perserved here in the archives. Did you e-mail ELK or are they watching this place too?
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:16:03 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: it's hard to type sometimes
Message:
Yeah maybe we should put up Mike's discarded epithet here for a few weeks, just to show we care!!

And no, I didn't dob him in to the cult. Oh shit, does that mean they actually read the forum then?

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:00:49 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Tonette
Subject: I'm sure it was deemed the sensible thing to do
Message:
That is too good.

ELK has removed Mike the Shroom's Expression or whatever it was? Did they as in the Big They feel that with Shroom's admission to being one and the same as Mike F. that it made Them look bad?

If the above is true it might imply that these eager overzealous hardcore premies who post here at the Forum are viewed by EV as being an embarassment to Maharaji. And it means that EV has some very diligent people who monitor the Forum and the websites. What crappy job that must be? How could one stay sane?

Isn't it nice to know that they really care about us?

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:58:15 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: I think that is not true.
Message:
Fronkji's post is still there. Type Mike in the search box and yoy will find him. So does that mean that EV supports fronkies, or are they holding out to see if the shroom effect is going to die?
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:58:41 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Salam
Subject: Couldn't find it
Message:
Weird. Sure you're not just viewing a cache version on your computer? But then when I view expressions by author, it only goes up to Mike Campbell (alphebetised by first name - go figure)

Maybe becoz I have JS disabled, i dont get the full picture?

Maybe its his Lila on ME!!! Gee I feel special now!!!

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 20:11:11 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Rob
Subject: Damnit, Rob! I relied on you.
Message:
Rob,

My yellow journalism above about Elan Vital doing the sensible thing was based on your report. Tell me it ain't true that you botched it.

Sheesh!

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 04:10:25 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: My grandmother said to me, always check
Message:
your internet sites.

Sorry.

p.s on your site you have a link to a site where there are a lot
of gm zipped pictures. Are they public domain, or does ons need an army of lawyers to use them, i.e. publish them on a web site

Salam

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 05:17:55 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Salam
Subject: Salam, that's a long story...
Message:
No, no siree! Them there is not my pictures, oh no!

I was turned on to that site, the site with a lot of free pictures of Maharaji, from some secret agent type person.

I'd say use those pictures for whatever and see what happens.

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 13:10:12 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Yep, that is the site. I have downloaded
Message:
all files.

see what happens

I take it, that bad news?

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:09:00 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Couldn't find it
Message:
Maybe they moved it somewhere else. But after you click on the water drop, you should get to the main page. type MIKE in the top left box where it says 'search' then click on 'go'. You will see fronkeji right at the bottom on up.
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:20:22 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: How about this notion:
Message:
That Mike Fronke IS one of those people who 'diligently monitor this forum' and that he actually REMOVED HIMSELF FROM ELK in a moment of self-flagellation!

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA cough..splutter...HELP, STOP, TOO MUCH

Oh dear........

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:24:09 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Rob
Subject: or how about Colonel Kurtz gone mad?
Message:
Mike Frumpke was the Forum monitor appointed and paid for by Elan Vital. And Mike had the secret personal email address for Raja Ji and Mike would submit reports of rebel activity at the various rebel outposts on the net. Unfortunately, Raja Ji was always too busy to thank Mike for his efforts and some wannabe honcho would be the real contact person.

As devoted as Mike Frumpke was and as level headed everyone thought he was, Mike lost it and he lost it big time. Those double whammy posts with Jim's jail house pitbull lawyer tactics followed by a lewd and crude knockout punch thrown by gErRy became too much. The toll from the stress on Mike was too much. Mike was no longer feeling THAT love as he used to. THAT love, THAT peace was no longer real and had instead become idealized and only something for the mind to believe in and rant and rave about.

'How much of this shit can one person take?', screamed Mike as he threw the iron skillet full of hot bacon grease out across the living room towards his computer hutch and his precious Mac G3. The pressure had forced Mike to quit his job as a waiter. He couldn't pay the rent any more up in Thousand Oaks. He had to crash with non-premie friends in Santa Monica. And that's when the Shroom burst forth from the dank, rotten earth.

Raja Ji was finally contacted and a special team was sent to find Mike and bring him in from the cold. Mike had forgotten Holy Name and had gotten caught up in the Maya. They all knew of the danger of this kind of work. One slip up and anyone of them could forever be lost in the eternal darkness of the mind. But they were a crack team and had plenty of time for Practice. And the special darshan with added blessings from the Boss would be their shield, their candle in the darkness. The Knowledge of His Word would carry them safely through the valley on the rivers and jungles of concrete and steel down the 405 and then west on 10 about 15 clicks out to Santa Monica.

Note: This is strictly fictional. Any resemblance to living or dead persons is coincidental.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:32:01 (GMT)
From: Monmot
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Colonel Kurtz avec Purple Haze...
Message:
And it was written that Shroom took up surfing (not the web), and screamed into the Malibu dawn fog, 'Oh, I love the smell of napalm in the morning.' And the Word was made flesh.

Book of Kali Yuga
Chapter 9: 10-13


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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:06:45 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Still laughing.
Message:
Roger you have a way with words. Oh yeah, they really DO CARE about us! And you and your annoying web site! Which is excellent I might add.
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:21:04 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Hey Admin Buddy
Message:

************************************************************************************************

Hows about a link to ole Rog's place and while we're addit, another one to Dave's hellhole would be appreciated...

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 02:48:26 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: Hey Admin Buddy
Message:
If you want email us, Roger, we'll talk about the forum links - it would be nice to have them back in place.

Admin Buddy

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 14:45:05 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: Bring back the House of eDrek
Message:
Hi Forum Admin,

I must second gErRyS sentiments here. I had a look round the newly decorated House of eDrek today, and it's a shining bastion of good taste, culture, wit and wisdom.

Why not set up links to both his and Sir Daves sites?

Anth the site for sore eyes

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 04:11:08 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: Nah, Admin Buddy, thanks anyways
Message:
Nah, Roger seeks to avoid all forms of hegemony.

I am a rock
I am an island
And the rock feels no pain
And an island never cries

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Date: Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 19:03:35 (GMT)
From: Gibraltar
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: sniff... (nt)
Message:
Boo-hoo do to?
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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 22:00:18 (GMT)
From: Shri Anthji
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: No island is an island...
Message:
...because they're all joined together under the sea.

And Art should be available at the click of a button.

Let the words fun free and damn ye dam builders.

Blither blather bluther rustle click suck errrrrh

night rog'

aaaaaaannnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 15:02:53 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: But Roger, your public needs you...
Message:
Restore the House of eDrek to its rightful place, kick out the jams, and spread some of it on bread. The whole of Cyber space awaits the union of these two glorious websites. It will herald the dawn of the new age. Then the lion will truly shag the lamb.

Anth has spuk

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 20:08:53 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: gErRy
Subject: Nah, I don't think so, gEr
Message:
gErRy,

One of the reasons they took me off the air was because of my association with blacklisted communists sympathizers like yourself. There was other reasons as well, but I won't go into those now.

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 09:02:01 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: You're wrong, Roger (ot)
Message:
Sorry to be testy, but I think you know the reason why the link was removed - easter egg pornography (and don't tell me kids don't know about easter eggs - that's who I LEARNED about them from). Implying 'political' reasons or any kind of conspiracy is, IMHO, a smoke screen.

I wish you'd take the porn off your site, or put it elsewhere - it doesn't need to be there, and it cheapens the considerable value of House of Drek. We are not talking about Hustler magazine here :).

Take care,
Katie

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 15:46:14 (GMT)
From: gErRy
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: You're wrong, Roger (ot)
Message:

88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888

What exactly is the 'porn' on the site? Are we talking the little wooden wanker or Maha's Glorious Mammaries? Is that the 'porn?'

YOU'VE GOT TO BE KIDDING, RIGHT ???

88888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888888

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 17:26:39 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: gErRy
Subject: No, it wasn't those, Gerry...sheesh
Message:
It was the hardcore porn links in the Easter Egg (bestiality and others.) Maybe they are gone now - I don't know. Of course he has the right to put whatever he likes on his site, but basically I felt that those links should go on a PERSONAL site, not one that's basically meant to inform the public about M. Of course, I could have the whole idea of what he intended House of Drek to be wrong, and in that case, it's a moot point.

Anyway, porn aside, the point of my post was that there is no 'political' conspiracy against Roger - sheesh!

Nice talking to you, too, Gerry.

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 20:16:59 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Katie
Subject: Katie, I know that, but your request is exactly...
Message:
what I'm talking about.

And yes, I know there is no political conspiracy.

But, Katie your suggestions to remove the 'porn' is exactly what I'm talking about. You bet, all the pejorative images of the Maharaji are still in place. And, no, I will never remove them.

Thanks for your support, though.

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 21:38:18 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Hi Roger
Message:
Hi Roger,
Thanks for not getting mad and telling me to fuck off. I am glad to see what you think clarified - makes me feel better.

My opinions about your site, as voiced in the letter to your ISP stand, except for this issue.

I still wouldn't call it political, though! It's just my opinion.

TC,
Katie

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Date: Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 03:50:10 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Katie
Subject: I'm just being dramatic by calling it political
Message:
Sheesh!
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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 23:20:38 (GMT)
From: gerry the (s)lobbiest
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: It's really up to the Forum Admin and J-M, right?
Message:
Isn't this the case?

What sayeth you gentlemen/women? Will you link to Drek and Dave?

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 01:37:53 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: I'm starting to collect your posts Mel,
Message:
and you know what that means!;)

You guys. Every now and then you need bringing down a peg and reminding that you are GUESTS here.

Your posts to Tonette & Jim are prime examples of the tolerated, uninvited freeloader overstepping the mark.

Maybe Tonette's 'autism' analogy wasn't very PC, and may have upset a parent of someone so afflicted, but hey, we all get carried away sometimes. But what got my goat was you stomping into the Ex-Premie Forum and telling her she's 'insufferable as an ex...' Excuse me? Like, who the fuck are YOU to have to 'suffer' her anyway? Who elected you the moral guardian around these parts?

Likewise with Jim...whether he knew Nick or not, his commentary was illustrating an aspect of the consequences of being in a cult, specifically Rawatism. It's not like he said 'I'm glad he's dead because he's a premie' or something. But you saw an opportunity to climb in and pass moral judgement anyway. Is your use of this unfortunate occurance not more abhorrent, considering how you chose to distort the original intent?

Many of us have asked you straightforward questions on the topic of m, k and EV, only to have them dodged and flipped around into some sanctimonious lecture about 'human decency' or 'moral values'. This isn't Church, Mel, nobody is applying to join the choir, so how about vacating the pulpit for a while?

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:03:26 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: I'm starting to collect your posts Mel,
Message:
I feel honoured, Rob...

'Likewise with Jim...whether he knew Nick or not, his commentary was illustrating an aspect of the consequences of being in a cult

Agreed, but with lousy timing and sensitivity!

Your posts to Tonette & Jim are prime examples of the tolerated, uninvited freeloader overstepping the mark.

What mark?

But what got my goat was you stomping into the Ex-Premie Forum and telling her she's 'insufferable as an ex...' Excuse me? Like, who the fuck are YOU to have to 'suffer' her anyway? Who elected you the moral guardian around these parts?

Firstly, I rarely 'stomp' around the Forum, secondly I was angry at Jim's post for which I make no apology, and Tonette, unfortunately copped some of it with her inept remarks. They were particularly galling because a former partner of mine (a premie)is languishing severely ill with a neurological illness (multiple sclerosis).

Who elected you the moral guardian around these parts?

Moral example is not the subject of democracy and election, so your question is redundant. Moral expression is everyone's free right, would you seek to deny my legitimate expression of that here?

It's not like he said 'I'm glad he's dead because he's a premie' or something.

No, he didn't but he ridiculed a perfectly legitimate expression of grief. Others here have expressed the sentiment you mention, though! How about a little bit of moral 'guardianship' coming from you to addresss and correct that issue.

Is your use of this unfortunate occurance not more abhorrent, considering how you chose to distort the original intent?

No, Rob, because I did not bring the issue up in the first place, Jim did. I distorted nothing, I merely responded to it with an expression of my abhorrence. Why don't you ask Jim if his original remark was abhorrent? If he hadn't brought the whole issue up we would not have been having this stupid argument right now, would we? The fact that most you have closed ranks to protect Jim doesn't make his actions any less abhorrent, but it certainly paints you in a less
agreeable light.

Many of us have asked you straightforward questions on the topic of m, k and EV, only to have them dodged and flipped around into some sanctimonious lecture about 'human decency' or 'moral values'

That's crap, Rob, I attempt to answer questions as honestly as possible on 'ex premie' terms and you know it. I may make a fool of myself but that kind of risk doesn't frighten me. I have no pulpit or the desire to get into one, but I have a legitimate right as a human being (guest or otherwise) to blow a whistle when I think that things are becoming blatant 'political' attacks using innocent people's vulnerablity at a time of obvious personal crisis. How do you think this premie would feel if she had read Jim's post? Do you care? Are Jim's feelings any more important than hers? Are yours? Do you consider other people's feelings except your own (ex's) on this site?

If you want to discuss 'everything and anything' about Maharaji on this site then you have to be bold enough to wear some direct criticism from your 'guests', and so long as they don't break the fundamental forum rules, it goes with the territory and you have to be man enough to cop it sweet. Despite being run by the ex's this forum is publically focussed, so in my opinion you have a moral imperative to to allow legimate 'opposition' comment no matter how confronting it may be to you. Otherwise you may as well do as some ex's suggest, put a password on and disappear from public view.

Rob, I am an advocate for displaced and disadvantaged people, arguing moral issues strongly is imperative to get outcomes for them, it's my job, I instinctively react if I feel there is an injustice. In Jim's case I felt there was a blatant injustice.

Mel

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 07:46:48 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: I'm gonna need a bigger hard drive Mel
Message:
Or we'll have to slap the word manacles on ya.

I feel honoured, Rob...
Yeah, so did Mike at first;)

(Rob)'Likewise with Jim...whether he knew Nick or not, his commentary was illustrating an aspect of the consequences of being in a cult

(Mel)Agreed, but with lousy timing and sensitivity!

Well Mel, if one's going to comment on a premie's apparant reticence in broaching the subject of Death and Other Horrible Things on ELK, you sort of have to do it in response to the occurance. And what is your issue with sensitivity over the deceased? Haven't you taken to heart what maharaji has been teaching you all these years, that the body is just a shell and the soul carries on etc etc. Even as people were grieving at his own father's death, the kid jumped up there and started lecturing them about it and making his first career move. How about THAT for lousy timing and sensitivity?

Firstly, I rarely 'stomp' around the Forum,

Well you're putting in an appearance in most threads these days, and getting pretty loud with it too. Anyway.....

secondly I was angry at Jim's post for which I make no apology, and Tonette, unfortunately copped some of it with her inept remarks. They were particularly galling because a former partner of mine (a premie)is languishing severely ill with a neurological illness (multiple sclerosis).

Well sorry to hear about your friend and all that, but you know, maybe this isn't the best place for you to be hanging out right now if you're that upset?

Moral example is not the subject of democracy and election, so your question is redundant.

Not true, I think we as ex-premies, having created this forum for our own use, have governing rights over content and behavior of cult members seeking to preach and lay inflated moral viewpoints on us.

Moral expression is everyone's free right, would you seek to deny my legitimate expression of that here?

If I may quote the FA: You don't HAVE any rights here. If you can't deal with that, go start your own forum. Or try airing your viewpoint on one of your own cult websites.

No, he didn't but he ridiculed a perfectly legitimate expression of grief.

Grief? What grief? Show me the grief in that ELK post. Besides, Jim was ridiculing the woman's obvious quandry over whether it was even appropriate for her to be saying anything at all. So don't give me that crap about ridiculing grief, Mel, especially after you've already conceded this point.

How about a little bit of moral 'guardianship' coming from you to addresss and correct that issue.

Personally I could give a fuck about morals, Mel, but that's just me, OK? I do get a feeling of joy, though, from *participating* in limiting the amount of crap we have to take from premies.

......I did not bring the issue up in the first place, Jim did. I distorted nothing, I merely responded to it with an expression of my abhorrence.

That's BS Mel, of course you distorted the appearance of Jim's message by crying shame over grief which didn't exist and deliberately missing the point (until challenged). No, not letting you get away with that one!!

Why don't you ask Jim if his original remark was abhorrent?

Why should I? I know it wasn't.

If he hadn't brought the whole issue up we would not have been having this stupid argument right now, would we?

Mel, Mel, Mel!!! If we don't bring up issues, there's no point being here. If you have a problem with this 'stupid' argument, leave! Nobody's twisting your arm to be here.

The fact that most you have closed ranks to protect Jim doesn't make his actions any less abhorrent, but it certainly paints you in a less agreeable light.

Oh get off your high moral horse for a moment will you, turn around 180 and start looking at all the 'abhorrent actions' your cult leader has been getting away with for 30 years. Redirect your indignation to where it will do some good. Write to Elan Vital and ask for an explanation of Jagdeo's activities. Ask them why they lied to the IRS about being a Church. Ask them why they denied being associated with Divine Light Mission...you know there are much more worthwhile outlets for your passionate desire for moral rectitude around the cult.

I have a legitimate right as a human being (guest or otherwise) to blow a whistle when I think that things are becoming blatant 'political' attacks using innocent people's vulnerablity at a time of obvious personal crisis.

You sound like you're running for office. Like I said, you don't have any rights here, so get used to it or get lost.

How do you think this premie would feel if she had read Jim's post?

I have no idea, Sir Lancelot, why don't you ask her?

Do you care?

Not particularly.

Are Jim's feelings any more important than hers? Are yours? Do you consider other people's feelings except your own (ex's) on this site?

Yes, yes and no.

Despite being run by the ex's this forum is publically focussed, so in my opinion you have a moral imperative to to allow legimate 'opposition' comment no matter how confronting it may be to you.

Hey, your post hasn't been deleted yet, has it? I'd take that to mean your opposing comment has been allowed. So now we've fulfilled your idea of a moral imperative, you can assuage that righteous indignation of yours. Now fuck off and bother somebody else will ya? How about your local evangelists? Or a Scientology Mission near you?

Rob, I am an advocate for displaced and disadvantaged people, arguing moral issues strongly is imperative to get outcomes for them, it's my job, I instinctively react if I feel there is an injustice.

Yeah well some people flip burgers for a living, so what? Take a quelude and get over yourself.

In Jim's case I felt there was a blatant injustice.

So we'll have him flogged at dawn, OK? Goodnight Mel.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:34:54 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: FA!!! ROB THREATENED ME!!!!!
Message:
In a post above, Rob apparently completely caved in to Mel's powerful rhetoric:

In Jim's case I felt there was a blatant injustice.

and said the following:

So we'll have him flogged at dawn, OK? Goodnight Mel.

Deal with it.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:36:24 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Rob, you're banned too!
Message:
At this rate there'll only be Mel, Snap Head and the observant left on board..

(But if you have a credit card, we might yet be able to come to some sort of understanding...:)

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:44:34 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Forum Administrator
Subject: Thought they were the only premie posters here
Message:
anyway. They're a bit like the loaves and the fishes - they sort of divide themselves up so it looks like there's more of them than really exist.

Well I was going to suggest changing the name of the site to ELK - Enjoying Life Without Knowledge - but I guess we'll all be off ejoying life too much to post.

You can just charge it to my SmartCard, smart arse!

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:51:19 (GMT)
From: Forum Administrator
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: That was 2 dollars-worth... (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:55:38 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Jim, that was a reward, not a punishment :[ nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 12:13:30 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Have You tried disk compression and zipping?..nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 08:25:36 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: I'm gonna need a bigger hard drive Mel
Message:
Well, Rob, I think that your above drivel is really unanswerable, so I won't bother really trying, but you certainly must be one of the most shamelessly obtuse people I've met.

However, I've seen some of your more reasonable responses, so I will assume that this trend is shortlived. Funny what a strong and well reasoned response brings out in people, isn't it? Especially from people you think are reasonably intelligent.

Mel

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 03:31:51 (GMT)
From: ExTex
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Are You DODGING/IGNORING My Post To You?
Message:
Mel said:
Funny what a strong and well reasoned response brings out in people, isn't it?
ExTex says: Yea complete SILENCE!
You still have not answered my posting...just below. MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION MEL?
I assume you are just going to ignore it. Figures. What's the problem? It was a sincere and civil posting.
I will just have to take your lack of response as CAPITULATION. That's what it looks like. That's fine with me. But I won't let you forget it.
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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 10:10:13 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: mbvictoria@hotmail.com
To: ExTex
Subject: Are You DODGING/IGNORING My Post To You? NO....
Message:
.... Extex, I'm not ignoring your post, but as you can see, I have had to wade through a large amount of correspondence lately, I also have job, need to sleep, but most of all, watch the Olympics.

I'll put your question on ice, if you care to email it to me.

Capitulation? NEVER!!!!

Mel

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Date: Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 03:18:11 (GMT)
From: ExTex
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Are You DODGING/IGNORING My Post To You? YES!
Message:
Well I got stuff to do also. But this looks like complete CAPITULATION to me. Like a house of cards flopping to the ground. Saying 'capitulation never' does not defend your point nor does it do anything to shoot down my post.

Too bad cuz I was really interested to see how you were going to rationalize and find a way to squirm out of my posted statements.

Ok, don't address them. But I hope you will at least consider what I said.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:10:36 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Oh now I'm completely crushed
Message:
Well, Rob, I think that your above drivel is really unanswerable, so I won't bother really trying, but you certainly must be one of the most shamelessly obtuse people I've met.

Hey, it worked!! Glad you think I'm special.

However, I've seen some of your more reasonable responses, so I will assume that this trend is shortlived.

Nah, sorry, this is the *new* me. At least where people like you, Fronke & Bjorn are concerned.

Funny what a strong and well reasoned response brings out in people, isn't it?

Dunno Mel, I've yet to see any of those coming from premies.

Is that it? You give up?

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 10:04:21 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Oh now I'm completely crushed
Message:
Of course I don't give up, just a bit tired. Too much Olympics at the moment, and the desire to go for Gold is highly contagious!

Mel

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 12:00:15 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Olympic condoms (ot)
Message:
Hi Mel,

do they have Olympic condoms where you live? I bought a packet of three at the weekend. One is gold, one is silver, one is bronze.

I tried them out on Saturday night. I was going to wear the gold one, but my wife said, 'No, wear the silver. I'd like you to come second for a change.'

Anth (it's been a long morning)

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Date: Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 19:05:54 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: AJW
Subject: HA HA HAAAaaaaaa!!!! nice one, Anth (nt)
Message:
come second!

Ha!

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:33:28 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: MelBoring strikes back...a giant TSK,TSK,TSK...
Message:


thunders through cyberspace !!!

This one is really fresh, Mel. I can just see you standing there looking down your nose, wagging your finger and chiding the errrant Rob for stumbling to such lows.

Funny, really.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 06:36:57 (GMT)
From: ExTex
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: MAY I HAVE YOUR ATTENTION MEL?
Message:
I am not trying to be arguementative. I am just (may I be so bold as to say) trying to get through to you that you might be indoctrinated without realising it. I CERTAINLY WAS! I EMPATHIZE!

You said:' I attempt to answer questions as honestly as possible on 'ex premie' terms and you know it.'
You also said:'I instinctively react if I feel there is an injustice.'

With regards to the Jagdeo/child molesting accusations and M/EV's apparent lack of REAL concern or action.....AND in view of M's outrageously rich lifestyle...How can this not shake your faith/belief that M is ANYTHING that could be called any kind of spiritual teacher???
You said something like; it was if you had been thirsty and he gave you water. So you are eternally grateful and respect him as THE GIVER OF THEE WATER.

With all due respect, may I make an observation and ask you a question. If you are thirsty and someone gives you a drink of water and it seems to quenche your thirst does that mean that you are forever indebted to that person for that drink of water and more importantly does that mean that this individual now has SOLE RIGHTS TO WATER WHEREEVER IT MAY BE? Just because you were ignorant of where to find water and they showed you where to look, I don't see why that makes the water of the world THEIR PRIVATE DOMAIN! No matter what they and their cronies tell you in a blissful way....they had no right to it in the 1st place. It isn't theirs to give or take! Just like water or air so is the experience derived from meditation. After all it is YOU who do the meditation....not M! It is YOUR consciousness and awareness. YOUR effort and YOUR experience.

Those four techniques were around for thousands of years (remember M said that they are the same one's shown by Jesus and other Perfect Masters through-out history) and they were/are being taught by teachers all over the globe and available in countless books, and always have been.

So what makes them the property of M? Because he and his devotees say so? Not good enough. Just because in your/our ignorance we didn't know where to look at the time for this thirst quenching 'water' doesn't mean that you/we might not have been shown it by someone else or found it on our own at a latter date!

And if this 'water' giver turns out to be somewhat unscrupulous and have criminal friends why are we obligated to ignore that and say 'Oh I can't be bothered with those considerations, after all I AM NOT THIRSTY ANYMORE so to hell with anyone else. Isn't that a might selfish and irresponsible?

Of course if one believes that said water giver has magic powers and is exempt from the ethical and moral values that are used in regard everyone else...well then you have MADNESS!!!

(Also, it is obvious morals are totally subjective!)

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:49:12 (GMT)
From: Salam
Email: salam_au@iprimus.com.au
To: Rob
Subject: you know what to do when you do.
Message:
I have become a collector of these things.
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 01:49:06 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Thank you
Message:
My knight in shining armour! I do appreciate (no pun intended) you defending me! I'll admit I put the idea out there, not in a thread mind you, hoping to get some thoughtful feedback. I've yet to answer Mel because of time but I am absolutely flaggersted he would refer to morality! I'm not here on the forum to flame or insult but the shroo's here really piss me off! Their only purpose here is to fling insults without any real dialogue. Kind of illustrates their condidtion in my book. In any case thank you. And thank you for getting shroo off my back too!
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:08:44 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: You're welcome T.,
Message:
and look what happened to the Shroo (see new thread above)

Rob

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 22:55:24 (GMT)
From: This Just In:
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: A Letter to the Students from Maharaji
Message:
Dear People With Knowledge (PWKs):

Isn't it wonderful that we have this knowledge and the experience of gratitude to inspire us to do synchronized participation? And we are just beginning our 'knowledge over the computer' program which is such a great technological advance to help me do my work. This will require quite a bit of participation for the forseeable future from every single one of you.

As you know, I said clearly in the 70s that I wasn't God. In fact, I think it's on a 16mm film somewhere in which I said: 'I am not God.' Really, it's true. I have been completely consistent about this. For some reason that particular film never made it to a video, probably because the premies were too unsynchronized and unfocused back in the 70s for that to happen, because they were all hippies on drugs. I have been unable to locate the film, because the premies probably lost it because of they had a lot of spiritual concepts and were on drugs. But you all know that it just isn't true that I claimed to be God. I just don't know what to say about some of the comments uninformed people have made about his subject over the years. Some of these people have even emailed me on my website.

Can you see what I have to put up with? I have to constantly exert Hurculean effort to drag all you ingrates into the 21st century. Why can't you get it together? Like I said at Millennium, er, I mean in the 70s, if anybody else but me had this much power going through them, they would blow into a million pieces! Do you think this is easy? No, it's really, really hard, and I have been working my fingers to the bone in selfless dedication to spreading knowledge to people, all because I care about them more than you could ever imagine.

This life is really, really difficult for me and I want you to know how hard I work, and the horrible conditions under which I must operate, although I do it willingly because all I care about is spreading this knowledge and because I have that gift.

I was thinking this as I sat in my delapidated house in Malibu, which, fortunately, has been somewhat remodeled to at least meet minimum sanitation and structural integrity standards. I wonder sometimes why I bother flying my private, luxury jet around the world, with very few servants, just to stay in luxury accommodations and have thousands of people worship me. You have no idea the hardships I put up with. And I do it all for you. But how much gratitude do you really have? This is a good question.

But you might be able to help to some pitiful extent by participating in participation. No amount of participation is too large or too small. Just send in your participation; you don't even have to be there in person. Yes, you can just send in participation as part of the Active Participation Program or 'APP'. The gift of participation is available to everyone.

Participating in participation really enhances your experience of knowledge, and I should know, because I am the master, and don't you ever forget it. And I just want you to know that I often look at how much participation each premie does, while simultaneously, and with extreme synchronization, I review and revise the seating charts that Elan Vital has set up for events. I just love doing both things at the same time, with great synchronization.

If you have any questions or comments, especially if you want to tell me how grateful you are to me and how much participation you are going to send in, and also if you want to tell me how grateful you are for knowledge and especially how grateful you are for ME, contact me at my wonderful, beautiful, and pure-genius website, which I designed myself, also at great hardship and effort, at Maharaji/wearenotacult@blessingstoallthepremies.org.

Regards,

Sant Ji Maharaj


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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 21:09:05 (GMT)
From: Lotus Eater
Email: None
To: This Just In:
Subject: Dear Master, tell me more about your business plan
Message:
Oh Lord,
Forgive me for thinking, but I have been considering the profitability of your mission:

Stage One: Get everybody and anybody you can interested, and use their efforts to get it established.

Stage Two: Target the most lucrative section of the market.

Just think about it, all those icky common premies can provide the bread and butter through the cyber shopping mall whilst you develop the lucrative side. A charmingly packaged spiritual path for the wealthy complete with lovely camping trips in the outback so you can lay your hands on the serious money.

Dear Lord, if I could stop laughing long enough at the rich ironies of life in a cult and beyond, I would shed tears for the fallen. Lotus Eater

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 19:01:45 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Lotus Eater
Subject: just wait till he gets demands for refunds! (nt)
Message:
sdfsd
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 20:30:32 (GMT)
From: Pauline Premie
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: I am grateful for being reminded about gratitude
Message:
I just sent in the following to ELK and I can't wait to see it listed there under 'expressions.'

I am just so grateful for being reminded by Maharaji that I should be grateful for the gift of gratitude. And when I get reminded by Maharaji, then I just have so much gratitude and appreciation to Maharajji for the gift of gratitude.

Similarly, I just have so much appreciation for being reminded by Maharaji that I should appreciate the gift of appreciation. And when I get reminded by Maharaji, then I have so much appreciation and gratitude to Maharaji for the gift of appreciation.

Then, when I have that experience of gratitude and appreciation, I can do participation. I am just so grateful for being reminded by Maharaji of the gift of participation. I have so much gratitude and appreciation for being reminded by Maharaji of the gift of gratitude, appreciation and participation.

Gratitude, appreciation and participation are automatic integral parts of my life. I just need to be constantly reminded by Maharaji of those gifts. I could go on all day talking about the various attributes of gratitude, appreciation and participation.

It all makes perfect sense to me and it would be to all you ex-premies as well if you understood what I just said. I can't see how anyone would think that I am programmed or in a cult.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 01:33:29 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Pauline Premie
Subject: This is a joke.........right? nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 21:02:48 (GMT)
From: Paul P.W.K.
Email: None
To: Pauline Premie
Subject: Thank you, Pauline
Message:
Thank you for reminding me about these precious gifts: gratitude, appreciation and participation. They are like the three legs of a milking stool. Lose one leg, and you are flat on your back without an udder in your hand. And in this analogy, an udder is a rudder, like our Master, not an adder, which is poisonous, like your mind.

So thank you for reminding me (funny, that word 'remind'...it pops up everywhere, which is the point, I guess: to re-mind us, to wash our brains clean of all those icky thoughts) even though you are a premie and I only REALLY get inspired when I watch a video or a satellite feed or I go to a program and see the Master spout forth his wisdom...and he doesn't even use a Teleprompter! He's like Kenny G...he just makes it all up on the spot!!! And he's so funny!

Anyway, Pauline, I just wanted to point out one more thing aside from those three wise men (well, not men, but you know what I mean...it's like everything in the Bible Maharaji talks about in his own way...he's like the Jesus Christ of today. I don't mean like I think he's God which those bitter twisted ex-premies say they did but that's just because they took too much brown acid at Woodstock...I just mean he is a Master, like Jesus was.) which is really special, and it's that special place.

You know, that special place inside that's really peaceful. You really can't talk about it. It's just so peaceful. Life is so much better now that I know that special place. There's not much you can say about it, is there? Not that we don't know what it is to be enlightened. I mean, we could be just as articulate as
all those mystics who were able to be pretty specific about their experiences and philosophies...but we don't need to show off. Dumbed-down Rumi knock-offs are so much better at displaying our true simplicity than anything involving real emotion or individual thinking.

Without Maharaji, I wouldn't be in this vacuous state (is that the right word? I think I meant precious, or specious or something.) Bhole Shri Satgurudev...oh, never mind.

Gregg

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 21:23:37 (GMT)
From: Pauline Premie
Email: None
To: Paul P.W.K.
Subject: Paul, don't get too intellectual, okay
Message:
That gift is so simple that if you think or talk about it you might get confused. Just be grateful for being reminded by the master of that place, this and that life, that love, that gratitude, that appreciation, that participation, that synchronization and that knowledge. Reminding is what Maharaji does. But do you think he could be replaced witha string around your finger? Ha! Of course not, because of that gift.

Only Maharaji, who is not and never claimed to be god, can give you the reminding you need to be grateful for gratitude and to have gratitude for being grateful. He also reminds us to appreciate being appreciative and to have appreciation for being appreciative. Only then can you be inspired to participate in participation while, with synchronization and teamwork in fashion in which there is no hierarchy, you simultaneously are grateful and appreciative for experiencing gratitude, appreciation and participation. It is so simple and so beautiful, but a little enigmatic, but it's all a gift. And it's so beautiful.

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Date: Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 14:20:25 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Pauline Premie
Subject: This thread and the hubcap one are sooo funny!
Message:
Thanks, guys.
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 00:32:02 (GMT)
From: Well, I guess that means
Email: None
To: Pauline Premie
Subject: your letter won't be published.
Message:
You should have waited for it to be published first. wery fuuny.

Salam

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 00:11:35 (GMT)
From: Simon Satsang
Email: foaming@themouth.con
To: Pauline Premie
Subject: I don't love you Pauline
Message:
I appreciate having the gift of appreciation of appreciation. I am not an intallectual, Pauline and neither am I responding to your post because I want a personal relationship with you. You are nothing to me. Just a sister in his love and it wouldn't matter to me who you are because you are irrelavent and not important and merely a channel for his grace and I don't see you but Maharaji is all I see and you could be a handsome guy or a beautiful girl and it wouldn't matter because I'd treat you with the same indifference and lack of interest.

I am grateful to Maharaji that you have shared your appreciation of appreciation with us but that is all. You don't impress me because I know it's Maharaji who is talking through you and it's him that I love and not you.

If I meet you at the next event I will not talk to you because as our master has said, we don't go there to meet each other but only to see him. Only he knows what love is and that is why I've followed him for over thirty years and still don't love anyone or anything.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 00:02:59 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: Pauline Premie
Subject: Pauline, I'm gonna burst your bubble here...
Message:
I know that a lot has been said lately about synchronization and I'd like to state the obvious about what Elan Vital and your Maharaji mean by that word.

I'm sure that you, Pauline, like nearly everyone else on the planet is tuned into the satellite broadcasts of the Summer Olympics in Australia. Yes, Pauline, these are satellite broadcasts with huge audiences. And I'm certain that you must be as big a fan as I am of the synchronized swimming and can't wait until it is presented in all of it's glory.

Yes, synchronzied swimming. It's so, so, so beautiful. And why is it so beautiful. Because it's synchronized, that's why. And it's not just synchronized because all the swimmers are coincidentally doing the right thing at the right time or maybe they are talking to each other underwater. No, it's because all the swimmers have all agreed to follow the instructions of their coach, the sychronized swimming MASTER. And then the swimmers practice and practice until they get it right and only then does it become so, so, so very beautiful.

So, now that we have a really nice and pretty image of what synchronization is I'm going to burst your bubble and tell you what synchronization means in Maharaji, the MASTER's world.

Yes, there is one person that everyone agrees to listen to and that is, again, the MASTER, Maharaji.

Now what does Maharaji want to have synchronized?

Well, HE wants propagation efforts to be synchronized. HE doesn't want premies doing their own things and some of those things can be embarassing to the MASTER. The MASTER wants to be in charge and do it his way, the right way.

So, what is a premie to do? Especially now when even the opportunities to do service at the local videos is drying up with the advent of satellite broadcasts into the home?

More and more, the opportunities to do service are going away. And this is where synchronization becomes very important. Since the MASTER knows how to best spread his knowledge and do everything it would be best if all premies synchronized their efforts and they all did the same thing at the command and direction of the MASTER. And when all the premies do the same thing at the command of the MASTER then it will be so very, very beautiful.

Now, Pauline, what could that thing be that would be so very beautiful if all the premies did it in a synchronized fashion all at the command of the MASTER?

That's right. That's it exactly! Yes, Pauline, if all the premies synchronized in giving MONEY to the MASTER then everything will be so very beautiful.

Giving money is what synchronization is. How is that? Because it is what the master wants and because all premies can do that one thing and they can do it together and then Maharaji can spend the money in a synchronized way. He can spend the money in the way HE wants it spent.

Why have all the premies wasting their efforts doing other silly things when they can all get second or third jobs and synchronize their efforts with all the other premies doing the very same thing, which is giving money to the MASTER?

There, now isn't that simple? It makes sense, doesn't it? Synchronize to the MASTER's needs and desires. Why spend any time in the mind trying to figure out how to serve the MASTER when writing a check so simply and easily serves that purpose?

Feeling guilty about not doing service?
Feeling gratitude?
Feeling scared?
Feeling sad?
Feeling lost?
Feeling good?
Feeling angry?

Synchronize and write a check.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 18:46:59 (GMT)
From: Larkin
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Synchronised swimming (ot)
Message:
Synchronised swimming
- a wonderful sport, or
the boringest thing
you can do in the water..?
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 11:25:45 (GMT)
From: AJW
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: Path of realisation is paved with bankers orders
Message:
Roger,

don't forget that when you give money to the Master, the work you carried out to earn that money becomes 'service to heem', and your whole life starts to become purified, as you begin to live in 'that place'.

The more 'service you do', ie, the more money you give, the more bliss you will feel.

The modern path of realisation is paved with bankers orders.

This is why the front seats at the programmes nowadays are sold to the highest bidders. This proves that the more you give, the closer to heem you get.

Anth the Spiritual Accountant

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:47:34 (GMT)
From: ExTex
Email: None
To: Roger eDrek
Subject: burst your bubble here...That was BRILLIANT! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 22:54:53 (GMT)
From: Roger eDrek
Email: drek@oz.net
To: ExTex
Subject: Thank you, and AJW says it so simply as well
Message:
Indeed, thank you ExTex.

Having only extracted myself from the cult only a few years ago I am aware of the real meaning of synchronization as the emphasis became more money and more money. And this message was delivered by special travelling emissaries of Maharaji. In fact, the 1995 Thousand Oak presentation by Maharaji himself complete with his PowerMac on stage and graphs was what I believe was monumental in the push to convince premies of the need for regular contributions.

And I fell for it. For the first time in my life I was making more than minimum wage and I signed myself up for regular contributions to the national organization and the local one. I was, as AJW said above, buying my way into enlightenment or so I thought.

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 14:51:20 (GMT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Don't miss this !
Message:
The Best of the Forum page's been updated.

Susan's letter to EV regarding Jagdeo, and EV's answer !!!!!

I wonder what's going to be the next update for EV's FAQ, and how they're going to get away with this !!!!

I guess EV's PR are going to soon have a seminar on that one .....

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 01:38:36 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Thank you but when is EV .......
Message:
Just when or when would one see Susan's letter posted on EV site and acknowledged? Better yet, when will Susan get a letter from the Master himself? Would love to post it on EV myself. Any hackers out there?
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 18:40:28 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Don't miss this !
Message:
Great idea to post the whole thread, J-M.

Thanks for all the effort you're putting in. If there was some way I could help ... well, if there is, just let me know.

Au revoir,

Chris

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 00:06:00 (GMT)
From: Bill
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Thank you JM for this excellent work-nt
Message:
dfhh
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 05:23:24 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Everyone
Subject: Oh my god! Just count all the buzzwords!
Message:
From ELK:

I could never have imagined

I never could have imagined in my wildest dreams what an incredible gift it is to have my master in my life - someone who is there whenever I need guidance or
inspiration on this journey of life, who asks nothing of me in return, yet is always unfailingly there for me (IF I want his help), always with the utmost respect for me as an individual. He reminds me about those things that are really important to me, that I want and need to be with, but get distracted from by the hubbub of this world. Seeing him, hearing his words makes the experience of Knowledge really come alive in my life. Again and again he brings me back to that simple place inside of me, where I find my true joy and freedom. Gratitude and appreciation are an automatic integral part of this relationship - how could it be otherwise? I find the gratitude and appreciation spilling over into every aspect of my life. And for this I am also grateful, because it feels so good. All, thanks to my master!

Carole Jones
Ithaca, NY, USA


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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:48:43 (GMT)
From: Rob
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Oh it gets better Jim:-
Message:
From EV Volunteer Feedback page:

From Leonard Shapiro, South Africa

'Why do I volunteer to support Elan Vital? By supporting Elan Vital I am able to do something that is part of the world of Knowledge. Where is the world of Knowledge? It is inside me. What is in the world of Knowledge? A deep feeling that is more beautiful and more complete than the most beautiful sunset.'

'By doing something from this feeling and directing it within Elan Vital, I can participate with a whole lot of other people who also want to express themselves from this very special feeling. The result of people participating together from this experience in a directed way is that there is a physical expression of this beautiful feeling.'

I make that 17. Anyone keeping score?

(Fair use for critical review)

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:55:04 (GMT)
From: ExTex
Email: None
To: Rob
Subject: Oh it gets better Jim:- Boil That Down
Message:
So if you boil that down it turns into one giant SELF-ABSORBED WANK! With all the hell people are going through in this world (this guy is in South Africa?) we are back to 'sunsets and feeling good'! What a crock of selfish yuppyisms. Puke! Gag!
And what is the end result of this oh so important volunteer work? More suckers netted to make M richer.
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 17:23:42 (GMT)
From: Yves' is out to lunch
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: An automatic satsang generator is possible.
Message:
Given a proper list of buzzwords AND a generator, satsang can be computer generated.

Take for example the shakespearean insult generator at the folling address:

http://www.pangloss.com/seidel/Shaker/

It doesn't need to make sense as long as it respect the expected form.

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:23:27 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Oh my god! Just count all the buzzwords!
Message:
I never could have imagined in my wildest dreams what an incredible gift it is to have my master in my life - someone who is there whenever I need guidance or
inspiration on this journey of life, who asks nothing of me in return, yet is always unfailingly there for me (IF I want his help), always with the utmost respect for me as an individual. He reminds me about those things that are really important to me, that I want and need to be with, but get distracted from by the hubbub of this world. Seeing him, hearing his words makes the experience of Knowledge really come alive in my life. Again and again he brings me back to that simple place[ ]inside of me, where I find my true joy and freedom. Gratitude and appreciation are an automatic integral part of this relationship - how could it be otherwise? I find the gratitude and appreciation spilling over into every aspect of my life. And for this I am also grateful, because it feels so good. All, thanks to my master!

How many?

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:29:58 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: In defence of that premie's mind .....
Message:
Do you think that the words 'automatic integral' tend to show that she's really an independent thinker?
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:44:05 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: In defenc(s)e of that premie's mind .....
Message:
I think she, or the editors at Enjoyinglife, forgot to put in a comma between those two words. At least I hope so. Somebody should check to see if that schizophrenic Maharaji coined a new term in his last satellite transmission.

Hey, how about that Canadian triathlete in Sydney. I caught the end of the race and it was pretty cool. Of course, we in the US only get the canned, re-hashed tape delay on NBC, which allows them to intersperse the actual race with background stories on how the athlete was electrocuted in an industrial accident two months before the Olympics, and his entire family was killed in a car crash two weeks ago....and now back to the race...

Something is kind of unreal about it all.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:36:02 (GMT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Joe and Jim
Message:
Greetings Joe and Jim.
I just got back from an extended trip and I have to climb over
boxes of archive shit to get to my office.
I loath returning to going through it to complete my packages to you both.
But I refuse to move those boxes till I do it.
By the way, turns out I have enough Millenium posters for all the ex's. WITH the millenium issue divine times as well.
Which one of you wants to play santa with that?
Or is that a Katie job.

I REALLY dont want to ruin this extended good mood i have had for quite a while now.
It is such a black hole to go into the heap of archives.
Oh well.

I may have to send stuff in two installments.
I am working on getting my poster collection back from storage.
I have a probably one of a kind complete dlm poster collection from the holy family days. Includeing the movie poster from some
armageddon style movie that came out..well, it was made anyway,
by some guy who made the later -who is gmj- film.
It looks like our lord is walking godzilla style through some ruined city. guns, exploding whatevers, too bad we cant get a copy of THAT film.

The posters deserve a spot on the website.
The holy family ones are of course -no holds barred.
No title is left out in the five headed god ads.
It will be funny to see glen shitiker spin those posters away.
It is no 5 minute job to get to those posters. I will start.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 00:45:12 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Canadian, nothing, he's from Victoria (nt)
Message:
fffff
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:24:34 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: I counted 24! (nt)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 14:15:25 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Are premies all slightly autistic?
Message:
Here's the definition of autisism:
Having a form of mental illness that causes a person to withdraw into a private world of fantasy and be unable to communicate with others or to respond to the real environment.
From listening to shroom and looking at some of the poetry and quotes on enjoying life it sure seems to me that most of the premies there have some undeniably hallmark signs of self inflicted autisism.
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 21:27:15 (GMT)
From: Carol
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: A very incomplete definition!
Message:
My having family members with Asperger Syndrome, a form of high functioning autism, I suggest that out of respect and tolerance for differently abled individuals, you refrain from adding this word to a list of sterotypes that frequently crop up when describing premies. Also calling it a 'mental illness' sometimes can lead to an implication that it is an emotional or thought disorder. It is a neurological 'disorder', and involves differences in the incompletely understood workings of the brain and nervous system.

A web search on Autism and Asperger Syndrome could be a valuable educational exercise for you. But, yes, many people from variable realms of belief and non-belief may be 'slightly autistic' but that loose description has little meaning. Other words would do better.

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 02:14:35 (GMT)
From: G
Email: None
To: Carol
Subject: secretin
Message:
You've probably already heard about this and I don't know if it applies to Asperger Syndrome, but ...
Secretin is a hormone that some parents claim helps autism. However some studies showed no effectiveness and there are concerns about the safety of secretin injections.
See Info about secretin and Autism and Secretin.
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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 17:31:00 (GMT)
From: Carol
Email: None
To: G
Subject: secretin
Message:
Yes I've heard of it but it is difficult to get and since my son is only mildly affected, not a priority to try. Thanks, 'though.
Carol
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:28:56 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Carol
Subject: Was that really necessary, Carol?
Message:
Are you denying that 'autistic' has useful value as a colourful, strong description of someone cut off from the world around them? Are there other words you want to see eliminated? How about 'crazy'? That's a good one. We all know someone who's truyl crazy and isn't that a sad pickle to find one's self (selves) in? Mind you, I guess that's an unfair use of the word 'pickle' from a cucumber farmer's perspective, huh?

Let's not be too precious, shall we?

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 18:20:02 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Really necessary, Jim. And you, Gerry
Message:
Using any medical diagnosis as an insult is EXTREMELY bad form, and fuck political correctness.

As John Wayne said in (I forget which movie:)

'Don't laugh at the cripple, boy'

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 20:27:49 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: That's nuts, Chris (nt)
Message:
fffff
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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 18:34:07 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Oh, go and laugh at quote 'cripples' then (nt)
Message:
though I almost thought you were being funny, there, Jim.
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 14:23:59 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Carol
Subject: Oh piss off Carol
Message:
Your phony PC crap makes me puke...
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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 08:17:32 (GMT)
From: Katie
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: Gerry, I agree with Carol in this
Message:
Hi Gerry -
I have done a lot of reading about autism because I'm interested in it. For one thing, I don't think the word 'autistic' should be used as an insult, and I don't think objecting to this, as Carol did, could be characterized as 'PC', especially since she knows people who have autism. I also think most people's conception of 'autism' is stereotyped - it is not a simple condition, and as Carol pointed out, has many different manifestations.

For another, 'autistic' is NOT just a negative term, but rather it is a description of a mode of behavior. Autistic people aren't 'normal' when they are measured against the societal norm, but they often have compensatory skills and talents that make them BETTER at certain things that most people. (If you get a chance, read about Temple Grandin and her work with animals.) Thus if you describe premies 'autistic', you are implying that they have OTHER skills that most people don't have.

I know what Tonette was trying to say, but I think there are other words that would be a much better descriptions.

TC,
Katie

P.S. Sorry I never answered your post on LaF - you posted right before I broke my foot.

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 15:58:11 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: How come I'm not surprised...
Message:
So, when this technical word (or any word for that matter) takes on so many shades of meaning, it enters the general venacular to mean just about what anyone wants it to mean. I dislike this pc corrective tone which demands you use the word in the manner the PC person would like you to use it.

And I hate people telling me what to do. (Hey, that was an 'I' statement!)

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 18:41:30 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: How come I'm not surprised...
Message:
... that's 'cos you're an ASSHOLE, Gerry.

(asshole - Technical term, formerly used as a substitute for the following:

cripple
spastic
moron
congenital idiot

... you get the idea?

;)

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 23:45:03 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: That wasn't an 'I' statement, chris
Message:
OK, I don't really hate you. And I apologize for

ALL
THOSE
BIG
LETTERS

...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
...
And I g-g-g-got it, c-c-chris...

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Date: Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 18:36:08 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: gerry
Subject: An 'I' statement? as in ...
Message:
... I don't know why your phony apology should make me laugh?

But it did.

Ahh, fuck it. Shouldn't we get back on topic, or does one of us have to admit defeat or something? What kind of phony trip is that?

You say what you want, and so do I. End of story. The power-politics of it is for the insecure ones.

I

(could this be a statement coming...?)

think that name-calling is a cop-out.

PS

and forgive my miss-spelling,

... it should have been

ARSE

hole)
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Date: Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 05:22:44 (GMT)
From: gerry
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: An 'I' statement? as in ...
Message:
Here's what I think:
...
...
...
...
..
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..
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....
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..
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..
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.

Yes, you should admit defeat, utter and desolate defeat.

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 15:56:18 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Katie
Subject: Now THAT wasn't precious, Katie. No way (nt)
Message:
rrrrrr
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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 17:39:40 (GMT)
From: Carol
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Where did you get that 'too precious' jibe?
Message:
Reminds me of Gollum. And what the hell is PC?

BTW, I actually am slightly autistic too...it is genetic and there is evidence on both sides of the family.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 02:43:17 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Carol
Subject: Listen, I did not mean to offend.
Message:
The definition is taken out of a medical journal.
Mental illnesses, of thought or emotional nature, are attributed to a defect in the brain of either genetic coding, chemical imbalance, structure(wiring) or ENVIRONMENTAL, they are neurological in essence.
In my post, I wanted to gleam some insight from others here whether or not premies have exhibited a mild form of self inflicted autism. I never intended to make light of individuals who are so afflicted, be it marginally or 'full blown' Please accept my condolences for your family member as they can not help it. I do not make light of autism. I do not want to offend you or belittle your loved one's condition.
However, my question still stands......given the definition of autism, do premies exhibit a slight form of it? Is it self inflicted?
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Date: Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 13:45:57 (GMT)
From: Steve
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: I assume you were a premie Tonette.
Message:
Why do you then speak of them as if they are a subhuman species?
Are all the premies you knew including yourself somekind of aberrations?

Are you or were you autistic?

Answer your own questions perhaps.

Steve

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Date: Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 15:01:46 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Steve
Subject: But premies ARE figuratively autistic!
Message:
That's the whole point, isn't it?

Before Cult

Use your mind and your senses to make sense of the world.

During Cult

Don't trust your mind but instead believe that some special combination of 'the heart' and a mini-Maharaji inside somewhere can really direct you in life.

After Cult

Realize that was stupid. Back to mind and senses.

'Autism' works as an anlogy for me. Sure, it's a bit hyperbolic but everyone knows that. It's poetry, Steve. Sheer, beautiful poetry.

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Date: Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 18:40:57 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: I think you owe the REAL autistics an apology (nt)
Message:
asdfgdf
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Date: Fri, Sep 22, 2000 at 00:51:03 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: cq
Subject: Chris -- if you can read this -- I'm sorry (nt)
Message:
fff
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Date: Thurs, Sep 21, 2000 at 16:55:15 (GMT)
From: Steve
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: You sensitive little flower Jimmy nt
Message:
nt
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 18:33:02 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: In case you might have missed my reply to Mel ...
Message:
Autism really isn't the word to use here, Tonette:

'Symptoms of the condition are evident either from birth or may begin appear after a period of normal development, but definitely by the time the child is two and a half years old.'


(from http://autism-india.org/whatis.htm)

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 16:12:38 (GMT)
From: Carol
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Listen, I did not mean to offend.
Message:
Accepted. Forgive me if I'm 'being precious' but I (and many people with disabilities) hate to see words which describe disabilities become put-downs of any kind even if used against people that do not obviously have a disability.

I agree with Dave.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 20:31:07 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Carol
Subject: Do you really think people are that stupid?
Message:
Carol,

The problem with your concern is that it assumes that people can't tell the difference between the literal use of a term like 'autistic' and the figurative which, I remind you, is a common and not-oh-so-original use of the word.

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 17:35:08 (GMT)
From: Carol
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Not all people!
Message:
Just people who love to add words to use as insults!
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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 18:30:56 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Carol
Subject: You'll have to make an exception for Jim ...
Message:
... he's a 'lawyer'

and you know what EVERYONE thinks of 'lawyers'

;)

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 15:49:03 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: More like closed mindedness
Message:
and a very narrow perception of things. This is brought about through years of listening to the master and taking on board his philosophy. Also, obsession with one's 'experience' can lead to a very introverted existence.

Very unhealthy and unhelpful.

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:19:33 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Are premies all slightly autistic?
Message:
Tonette

All I can say is 'what arrogance'.

You would have to be one of the most zealous of the ex-premies here to so flippantly judge and malign fellow human beings who, like you, are trying to find some meaning in life. You are congenitally incapable of a sensitivity that can possibly see value in other peoples lives although you, personally, may not understand or agree how they find that value.

You must have been an absolutely insufferable premie! You're certainly an insufferable ex premie!

I find it extremely difficult to be polite to you, I'm sorry.

Mel

PS How's that for autism?

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:14:55 (GMT)
From: ExTex
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Are premies all slightly autistic?
Message:
Before I was indoctrinated with the knowledge/goo-margie trip I was told by premies that,
You cannot understand until you experience this knowledge. We use to be like you, without this experience and now we have it. We can compare before and after.

They were right!
But all ex-premies have been through all of the experiences of the knowledge and goo-margie. They already know all about it. As much and maybe MUCH MORE than you.

And they say basically that,
You cannot understand until you step away from the ritualized indoctrination. We used to be like you, without this experience and now we have it. We can compare before and after.

Now I ask you- WHO IS BEING ARROGANT?

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 21:17:21 (GMT)
From: JohnT
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Are premies all slightly autistic?
Message:
Tonette: ... seems to me that most of the premies there have some undeniably hallmark signs of self inflicted autisism.

Mal Born: You are congenitally incapable of a sensitivity that can possibly see value in other peoples lives ...

JohnT: Hmmm. Methinks the Mal doth protest too much. Does the expression over reaction mean anything to you, Mal Born?

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 19:21:21 (GMT)
From: cq
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: 'What arrogance'? shouldn't that be 'ignorance'?
Message:
Talk about the pot and the kettle ...

You object to Tonette's observation, 'Mel', yet you turn around without ANY apparent awareness of your hypocrisy and say to her:

'You are congenitally incapable of a sensitivity that can possibly see value in other peoples lives'

'Congenitally incapable', eh, 'Mel'?

Well, was that intended to be unfair, or do you think Tonette was simply unaware of her inappropriate comparison?:

From http://autism-india.org/whatis.htm

'Autism is a disorder of the brain that causes a lifelong development disability, primarily affecting the communication and social abilities of people.
Symptoms of the condition are evident either from birth or may begin appear after a period of normal development, but definitely by the time the child is
two and a half years old.

Autism is known as a ‘spectrum disorder,’ because the severity of symptoms ranges from a mild learning and social disability to a severe impairment,
with multiple problems and highly unusual behavior. The disorder may occur alone, or with accompanying problems such as mental retardation or
seizures. Autism is not a rare disorder, being the third most common developmental disorder, more common than Down’s Syndrome. Typically,
about 20 in a population of 10,000 people will be autistic or have autistic symptoms. 80% of those affected by autism are boys. Autism is found
throughout the world, in families of all economic, social, and racial backgrounds. Doctors, politicians, and rickshaw drivers alike all have autistic
children. '

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:34:31 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Hit a nerve did I?
Message:
Gee, fling insults instead of refuting me. I think there is a valid link between the definition of autism and how premies behave and interact, both in the world, among thenselves and with the Master. Not to mention that the whole thing IS without a doubt a fantasy.
And you know what Mel, I think you have a good dose of autism worst than most.
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:59:44 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Hit a nerve did I? Certainly did !!!
Message:
Anger as you well know ( I've read some extremely angry posts from you) can be a valid avenue of expression. I tend to get quite annoyed at people treat who other people with contempt or disrespect to justify their own view points.

How can I possibly 'refute' such generalisations of the kind that you put into your last post, your comments were clearly vindictive and sarcastic. I notice that you haven't really defended the 'morality' of your original post either, merely responded by personal insult....And you know what Mel, I think you have a good dose of autism worst than most.. This tactic is very common of ex's, and is a strong feature of your posts.

If you wish to impress premies and attract them to ex-premiedom, I suggest you show a gentler and more humane face, Tonette.

Mel

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:43:41 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Mel, Mel, Mel
Message:
I was responding to your anger at me. But speaking of anger, as an emotion, anger is a true indicator that you don't have the worst form of autism as I see in premies. That's the good news, Mel. Am I angry? You bet I am! With good reason too!
But why bring up morality? Are you moral? As a thinking, loving, emphatic human being how can you aid and abet the Master? If you have read even an iota of the information here and in the archives you will surely understand the implications of what YOUR MASTER has done. Do you have no Sympathy? Compassion? Understanding? Knowledge? Why do you support/follow him after everything that has been disclosed here? I don't think that you are a bad person. Truly I don't. But please don't talk of morality! That was a joke, right?
That's what makes M dangerous. When someone, like the Master, can take a normal, thinking, intelligent human being and transform them into some sort of aberration, a premie if you will, tell them to believe in their teacher and devote themselves and then to behave as he has. I rest my case.
I really am not interested in FLAMING with you. I only hope that one day you will 'see the light' - pun intended
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 17:35:28 (GMT)
From: hamzewn
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: But what about the original post Mel?
Message:
Surely even you would have to admit that that original post was unmitigated pre-digested, pre-packaged key words, which of course has nothing to do with the same pre-digested key words that a certain other person uses.

As for your reaction to Tonette, well her kind of posts, and the other less 'polite' posters, is exactly what I was looking for when I walked, instead of that really fake niceness of so many premies I knew, such that whenever I come across that kind of fakeness in non-premies I call them premieish.

Thank god for in your face honesty. Only for me there was no ex-premie site, which is why I hung around with travellers over here for a few years, no fucking around with them, anything like that 'premieish' vibe and they were all in there like rockets confronting it head on, so refreshingly upfront.

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 18:05:05 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: hamzen
Subject: But what about the original post Mel?
Message:
Hamzen

So what about the original post? It's a legitmate expression of grief. If it was expressed in French or Mandarin would it be invalid or worthy of criticism? So this lady expresses it in her own 'cultural' way, does that invalidate it? Doesn't she have a right to express it in any way she knows how without Jim and Nigel humiliating her? Of course she does!

You may find Tonette's post 'in your face honesty' for which you may be grateful. I find her posts 'in your face' vindictive sarcasm with a huge amount of arrogance and lack of sensitivity. She certainly draws no respect from me for her intimidating style and I doubt whether I'm alone in that view.

She may, of course, be quite different off line? who knows? I would hope so!

Mel

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 03:56:46 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Are you threatening me?
Message:
You gonna find out what I am like 'off-line?'
Hey, listen, I have not made my identity a secret! But that last statement is downright belligerent.
All I did was pose a question and an opinion. But YOU have taken that far beyond what was intended. And you never refuted me as did Carol.
But please don't threaten me. This is a Forum for pete's sake. Or should I give you that definition too? How about Cult? Familiar with that definition?
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 08:34:40 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: Mo I'm not threatening you.
Message:
I was merely making a point that I thought you might be less hostile than you appear online, as simple as that. I've no intention to follow up or anything.

It really beats me where you saw a threat, I've reread my post to see where you may have got that perception, but honestly, I can't see it.

Mel

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 22:17:32 (GMT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: But I thought 'it' was a uniquely individual
Message:
experience?

You don't find it even a little strange that so many elk posts could have been generated by a few keywords, and that as gm's keywords change, so does the descriptions that come back.

Of course you're right it's cultural, but the 'robotic' nature of so many of these posts doesn't worry you, even in the slightest?

Surely if someone is having 'the' unique experience of their life , which is linked to deep seated parts of their being, that something creative would appear?

But then maybe you find the musak products from gm's $3 million audio/video studio creative?
And considering again how deep and fundamental this experience is supposed to be, just where is the great artistic flowering it has inspired, Michael Bolton? Purlease!!

And while on this one, why do you think none of the premie sites allow for any kind of discussion at all?

Re Tonette, you expect expect more politeness? Of course there will be even ex-premies who agree with you, but that is hardly surprising is it, since they were premies for nigh on thirty years, it would be surprizing if they didn't carry typical premie character traits in their baggage, and/or if they are sensitive & middle class, even more so.

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 19:51:24 (GMT)
From: Jerry
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: I don't find premies autistic
Message:
Just irrational. That's why I question the peace and happiness premies claim to have. Can irrationality, peace and happiness coexist? I don't think so. It's like that 'retard' who claims that his head is full of nonsense, but his heart is full of peace. How can that be? There's an element of clear thinking that's required before you can find yourself at peace, I think. You've got to get rid of that nonsense in your head, not just resign yourself to it. How can you be happy calling yourself an idiot which, essentially, is what the 'retard' did? And this is pretty standard thinking for a premie. It's not as if the 'retard' is unique.
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:24:12 (GMT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Mel uses BIG WORD!
Message:
'Congenital', Mel? Are we going after Tonette's family now?
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 13:41:29 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Oh my god! Just count all the buzzwords!
Message:
It sounds contrived. It doesn't sound real. Perhaps normal people don't write to ELK. What would they write?

'I got up today and tried to do some meditation. Felt an overwhelming desire to scream while attempting the first and second techniques until I got to the the third technique whereupon I fell asleep and awoke fifty minutes later and realising I was late for work, abandoned all hope of enlightenment and dashed out of the house to get in my car, which wouldn't start until the sixth attempt.

I arrived at work late and told my boss that the traffic had been awful.'

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:33:20 (GMT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Good Dave, How about...another translation
Message:
Translation of what is said above:

I am writing this on Enjoyinglife.org where I am required to use my own name, and I am terrified of saying anything even the teensiest critical of either Maharaji or knowledge because of my overwhelming need to be accepted and approved of by Maharaji and premies. It is always the safest course of action to repeat, endlessly, buzzwords and concepts that I have heard Maharaji and instructors say over and over, since I have been watching videos and going to events for some 20 years now. If I have any doubt about this, I should not say anything other than just express unbounded joy, with possibily a jab at myself for being so dense that I forget about the thing I don't dare describe with any specificity, and I am therefore so grateful that Maharaji reminds me. This is usually a safe bet.

In this time when I haven't the foggiest what Maharaji has to do with all of this, I have no idea what to say about Maharaji. I do not know what is acceptable to say about his role, except: 1) He is the master; 2) He reminds me of stuff; and 3)I am utterly grateful to him. Anything else gets very risky, so I don't dare say it publicly.

If I stick to the above rules, at least this year, I feel safe in correctly towing the current cult line. And I am so grateful to my master for this.

Pauly Premie
Anywhere, USA

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:41:36 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Joe, Jim and Sir Dave
Subject: That's too funny!
Message:
You guys sure do know how to make me laugh! Thanks for the comic relief.
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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 05:31:35 (GMT)
From: ExTex
Email: None
To: Tonette
Subject: That's too funny! AND ACCURATE! (NT)
Message:
nt
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 16:10:20 (GMT)
From: Mel Bourne
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Oh my god! Just count all the buzzwords!
Message:
Dave

'I got up today and tried to do some meditation. Felt an overwhelming desire to scream while attempting the first and second techniques until I got to the the third technique whereupon I fell asleep and awoke fifty minutes later and realising I was late for work, abandoned all hope of enlightenment and dashed out of the house to get in my car, which wouldn't start until the sixth attempt.

I arrived at work late and told my boss that the traffic had been awful.'

...and this from someone who professes to enjoy the experience of meditation (indeed, is known to wax almost lyrical about the joy of it) despite (apparently) the fact that it's in no way connected to Maharaji. Dave, how honest are you here, is this your true experience?

Mel

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 12:17:28 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: I mean, what can I say?
Message:
Have you lost your sense of humour, Melbourne?

Of course that's my experience. I have had some good experiences from meditation but that is not the norm. My above description is the norm and is the norm for most premies.

I did live in an ashram and saw at first hand everyone elses experience too.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 04:12:04 (GMT)
From: Tonette
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Oh I guess you never.
Message:
had that experience. Trying to meditate but having the world get in your way. Eh?
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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 18:39:00 (GMT)
From: X
Email: None
To: Mel Bourne
Subject: Oh my god! a little sweat
Message:
For some of these folks the gym must be hell!

And the concentration to learn a new subject or play a musical instrument must be excruciating.

Now, how hard is it to attempt to focus on a peaceful feeling?
Depends on the desire for success.
No guts, no glory!

X

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Date: Mon, Sep 18, 2000 at 19:35:33 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: X
Subject: Oh my god! a little pratt
Message:
What a stupid little cult you are. You talk about 'guts' when refering to feeling peaceful. I suppose you force yourself to relax do you.

You sound ridiculous.

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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 19:45:05 (GMT)
From: X
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Oh my
Message:
>You sound ridiculous.

Take the gum out of your ears.

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Date: Tues, Sep 19, 2000 at 00:20:24 (GMT)
From: Sir Dave
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: Sorry, I misspelt the 5th word in above post (nt)
Message:
zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz
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Date: Wed, Sep 20, 2000 at 19:46:48 (GMT)
From: X
Email: None
To: Sir Dave
Subject: in the heat of the moment
Message:
I understand. You got a bit excited!
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