Cynthia -:- Happy Birthday to Me!())(()(() -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:07:41 (EST)

__ ulf -:- happy Birthday -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 16:53:45 (EST)

__ Marianne -:- Happy Birthday, Cynthia -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 16:03:44 (EST)

__ Selene -:- Re: Happy Birthday to Me! -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 15:19:15 (EST)

__ Francesca -:- Happy :) Happy :) [nt] -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 15:11:36 (EST)

__ Chuck S. -:- Happy Birthday Cynthia! -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 15:08:36 (EST)

__ magiclara -:- Re: Happy Birthday to Me! -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 13:20:33 (EST)

__ Pat:C) -:- Happy Birthday Cynthia -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 13:14:14 (EST)

__ __ Richard -:- Happy Birthday Cynthia -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:15:06 (EST)

__ Suedoula -:- Re: Happy Birthday to Me! -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:48:16 (EST)

__ __ Pat:C) -:- HEY HOTBOARDS! Hey Anth! -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:43:56 (EST)

__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- SEE! this message appeared here and .... -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:45:59 (EST)

NewsFlash -:- Maharaji at Hans Jyanti Declares!!! -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:50:37 (EST)

Katie -:- Reposting Vicki's 'BEST' post from below -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:46:56 (EST)

__ Jim S. -:- Re:Vicki's BEST...should this be... -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 13:08:39 (EST)

__ __ Jim -:- Yes, for sure -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 16:06:16 (EST)

__ __ Francesca :C) -:- This should be put with Rich Mandrake's -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:11:31 (EST)

__ __ __ Peg -:- Vicki's reply to Desert Woman -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 16:53:12 (EST)

__ __ __ Chuck S. -:- Great idea, Fran... -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:55:14 (EST)

Salam -:- Yikies -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:25:09 (EST)

__ salsa -:- What?? -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:45:32 (EST)

__ __ }) -:- What do you mean What? -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 08:29:35 (EST)

__ __ __ JohnT -:- irony -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:50:33 (EST)

AJW -:- FA, Wozappenin? (ot) -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 05:57:08 (EST)

__ gerry -:- The glitch -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:12:45 (EST)

Catweasel -:- Enough Mr Patrick Conlon!! -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:50:44 (EST)

__ JohnT -:- Hey! Cac-sleasle !! -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:40:33 (EST)

__ Anarchist -:- Ner ner, ner ner ner -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 08:56:00 (EST)

__ ignorant -:- whats a cac? NT -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:33:12 (EST)

__ __ JohnT -:- What's that smell?! -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:31:03 (EST)

__ AJW -:- Catweazle you are a complete Twat. -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:18:16 (EST)

__ __ Nottingham Bunnie -:- Thanks Anth that made me LOL! (nt) -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 07:53:49 (EST)

__ Pat:C) -:- Ghosts have to sue in ghost courts and,... -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 05:00:47 (EST)

__ __ CW -:- Re: Ghosts have to sue in ghost courts and,... -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:50:44 (EST)

__ __ __ gerry -:- Speaking from the Chair -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:31:38 (EST)

Loaf -:- The Bridge of assumptions -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 02:33:13 (EST)

__ Brian Smith -:- personal responsibility is the key -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 15:58:26 (EST)

__ Richard -:- Re: ordinary middle age LOL -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:45:52 (EST)

__ AJW -:- The Living Teacher -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:43:27 (EST)

__ Pat:C) -:- Loafie, you amaze me -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:18:57 (EST)

__ __ Katie -:- Great post, Pat - thanks -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:55:47 (EST)

__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Thanks, Katie -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 13:24:40 (EST)

__ __ Loaf -:- Re: Loafie, you amaze me -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 07:49:39 (EST)

__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Loafie, sometimes the convoluted writings are.... -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 13:29:31 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Loaf -:- Thanks Pat -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 13:50:32 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- You didn't know we get paid to post? -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:34:42 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Loaf -:- Re: You didn't know we get paid to post? -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 15:18:29 (EST)

Jean-Michel -:- Yanks ? Help needed for translation -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 23:47:29 (EST)

__ Barbara -:- GOP -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 23:56:08 (EST)

__ __ Inside Edition -:- Re: GOP -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 00:05:11 (EST)

__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Thank you guys (nt) -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 00:44:58 (EST)

PatC and Chuck -:- To all CAC victims: report to police -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 22:04:10 (EST)

__ Deborah -:- Well this is more like it -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 22:23:57 (EST)

__ __ SC -:- Oh so clever Patrick Conmanon -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 01:15:00 (EST)

__ __ __ salsa -:- shuffling you away.... -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:41:00 (EST)

__ __ __ AJW -:- Put your money where your mouth is SC. -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:29:49 (EST)

__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Your post was spam, Roupell -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 01:27:50 (EST)

__ __ __ __ SC -:- You manipulative bag of shit Conlon -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:44:00 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Francesca :C) -:- You IDIOT! People are not cyberstalkers .. -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:26:48 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Marianne -:- Very well said -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 16:06:39 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Loaf -:- Re: You manipulative bag of shit Conlon -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 07:52:09 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- Got a minute SC?? -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:37:41 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Is that all the thanks I get, Mr Roupell -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:49:26 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ AJW -:- LOL -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 09:41:10 (EST)

__ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: Well this is more like it -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 22:38:03 (EST)

__ __ __ Deborah -:- You got it! -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 22:49:17 (EST)

__ __ __ Marianne -:- Pat, please call me NOW -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 22:42:27 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Will do so in about ten minutes [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 22:43:41 (EST)

Repost of Catweasel -:- re; John McGregor -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 19:42:31 (EST)

__ Mickey the Pharisee -:- Re: re; John McGregor -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 10:17:05 (EST)

__ AJW -:- Is this the best you can do Cat? -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 05:52:47 (EST)

__ __ CW -:- You should know by now.. -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 08:56:01 (EST)

__ __ __ AJW -:- Yawn. -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 09:34:37 (EST)

__ Deborah -:- Debunking nonsense [nt] -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 21:05:40 (EST)

Vicki -:- New people -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 19:33:27 (EST)

__ Mike Finch -:- Compromise Forum -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 09:35:43 (EST)

__ __ Jim -:- That's interesting -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 16:12:21 (EST)

__ Loaf -:- Re: New people -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 02:25:31 (EST)

__ Pat:C) -:- Another great post, Vicki -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 19:50:44 (EST)

__ __ Vicki -:- Ooops! Please correct any and all typos! (nt) -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 05:41:59 (EST)

__ __ Richard -:- Very true Vicki -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 20:21:35 (EST)

Is he -:- after something...??? -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 18:05:11 (EST)

__ Vicki -:- Re: after something...??? -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:28:41 (EST)

__ __ Vicki -:- Link -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:34:20 (EST)

__ bill -:- Just buttin in -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 05:27:05 (EST)

Joe -:- McGregor says M DID Harbor a Pedophile.. -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:49:25 (EST)

__ Joe -:- Request to John B -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:59:33 (EST)

__ __ JHB -:- Re: Request to John B -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 20:07:13 (EST)

Joe -:- Maharaji Cult Attack Websites - Day 6 -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 13:17:23 (EST)

__ Richard -:- Re: Maharaji Cult Attack Websites - Day 6 -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 14:14:23 (EST)

__ __ Joe -:- They also Backfired -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 14:54:49 (EST)

__ __ __ Deborah -:- I agree -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 18:21:41 (EST)

__ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- I don't like being threatened either -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:38:05 (EST)

Sir Dave -:- New knowledge technique -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 07:28:09 (EST)

__ hamzen -:- You think you're mad sir d -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 09:21:40 (EST)

__ __ berni -:- You must be mad :lol -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:58:33 (EST)

__ __ shocked -:- I heard the new technique was -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 12:40:24 (EST)

__ __ __ Postie -:- Simple misunderstanding -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 13:06:01 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Jean-Michel -:- Read this !!! Read this !!!!! -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 00:48:30 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Vicki -:- Re: Simple misunderstanding -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 19:05:26 (EST)

Julian -:- Gerry, what's this with Bjorn?? -:- Thurs, Nov 08, 2001 at 21:06:57 (EST)

__ CW -:- Rabbits are Vermin -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 01:50:14 (EST)

__ __ Nottingham Bunnie -:- 'We also shoot cats, pigs,goats ,donkeys..' -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:17:31 (EST)

__ __ __ Croc Catweasel -:- They shoot horses dont they? -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 05:12:12 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Bullseye! -:- Catweasels, too -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 11:14:36 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Re: Catweasels, too -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 14:56:26 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Sommelier and sommelier -:- Eau de crapweasel -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 18:20:13 (EST)

__ __ Hey Catweasel -:- I bet you are jealous of -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:24:04 (EST)

__ __ __ CW -:- Oh Really? -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 05:13:23 (EST)

__ __ __ __ try asking those -:- who were there -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 07:14:16 (EST)

__ Marianne -:- Bjorn's libelous emails about me -:- Thurs, Nov 08, 2001 at 22:00:46 (EST)

__ __ Tonette -:- Sick and scary stuff Marianne -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:12:12 (EST)

__ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Re: Sick and scary stuff Marianne -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:28:45 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Barbara -:- Forget sociopathy. Try Criminal. -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 17:00:06 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Yes, Barbara. Also, Marianne and Joe... -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 17:07:56 (EST)

__ __ Abi -:- Re: Bjorn's libelous emails about me -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 07:01:37 (EST)

__ __ __ Marianne -:- Thanks Abi -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 11:51:16 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Cynthia -:- Marianne... -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 12:01:40 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Deborah -:- Re: Marianne... -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 12:18:31 (EST)

__ __ Pat:C) -:- If you need anything, just ask, Marianne -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:58:32 (EST)

__ __ __ Catweasel -:- Attention! Calling all Drama Queen's!! -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 05:15:45 (EST)

__ __ __ __ Abi -:- Re: Attention! Calling all Drama Queen's!! -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 07:03:18 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ Pat:C) -:- Thanks, Abi, for your chivalry... -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:24:22 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ Catweasel -:- Re: Thanks, Abi, for your chivalry... -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 19:10:30 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ CW -:- and furthermore -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:33:48 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ __ __ Cult Spotter -:- Spiritual advice, from a creepy ghost. (NT) -:- Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:21:21 (EST)

__ __ __ __ __ CW -:- Re: Attention! Calling all Drama Queen's!! -:- Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 15:00:39 (EST)

__ __ Deborah -:- Fuckin Bjorn...I knew he was a cacweasel -:- Thurs, Nov 08, 2001 at 22:23:03 (EST)

Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:07:41 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: All Subject: Happy Birthday to Me!())(()(() Message:

It's my birthday today and I am now 28! My logic is that if I subtract 20 years of guru worship, I get to be young again, if not in body, in spirit. Having friends over, so I won't be on board here today....I'm going overboard at home.())()) Feel free to send gifts! LOL!

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 16:53:45 (EST) From: ulf Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: happy Birthday Message:

Happy birthday to you Chyntia, from me also , i wish you the very best on your day ,, i think we will never see each other,, , but you have been a great help for me leaving the cult . keep it up..... best wishes Ulf

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 16:03:44 (EST) From: Marianne Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Happy Birthday, Cynthia Message:

Be sure to have too much cake and ice cream.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 15:19:15 (EST) From: Selene Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Me! Message:

OK Here's a gift of love, happiness and prosperity. And I agree with you Cynthia, we are younger than our age, we were in some sort of supsended state for quite some time. Hope your day is great.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 15:11:36 (EST) From: Francesca Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Happy :) Happy :) [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 15:08:36 (EST) From: Chuck S. Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Happy Birthday Cynthia! Message:

I like your new math! It's great to be 28. I know that getting rid of all the Maharajism CONCEPTS we were fed, (all the while being told they were not concepts, just the Truth - Sheesh!) has made me feel a lot younger. Having a free mind again, it's like a fresh begining, which makes me feel younger. Sounds like it does the same for you too. So you have a great birthday, kiddo! Best Birthday Wishes, - Chuck S.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 13:20:33 (EST) From: magiclara Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Me! Message:

Happy Birthday Have a great party Lovve Magiclara

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 13:14:14 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Happy Birthday Cynthia Message:

I like your arithmetic. Have a wonderful day and a wonderful life, Cynthia. I wish you health, happiness and prosperity. Lot's of love.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:15:06 (EST) From: Richard Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Happy Birthday Cynthia Message:

Happy Birthday. Good for you for standing up and happily announcing it to everyone. Richard

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:48:16 (EST) From: Suedoula Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Re: Happy Birthday to Me! Message:

Happy Birthday Cynthia! Here is a poem for what you lost and for what you have found. Best wishes, Susan maggie and milly and molly and may went down to the beach(to play one day) and maggie discovered a shell that sang so sweetly she couldn't remember her troubles,and milly befriended a stranded star whose rays five languid fingers were; and molly was chased by a horrible thing which raced sideways while blowing bubbles:and may came home with a smooth round stone as small as a world and as large as alone. For whatever we lose(like a you or a me) it's always ourselves we find in the sea e.e. cummings

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:43:56 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Suedoula Subject: HEY HOTBOARDS! Hey Anth! Message:

The four posts above have been assigned wrong numbers and have appeared here as well as in their rightful place under Cynthia's birthday wishes. The first time this happened to one of my posts was late at night and I was so sleepy I was holding one eye open with two fingers. I thought I was nuts and didn't want to draw attention to it in case people thought I was paranoid. In the clear light of the morning I saw that the numbers assigned to the posts were wrong. It's a bug in Hotboards' software.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:45:59 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: SEE! this message appeared here and .... Message:

....in the thread below where I posted it. Is Hotboards run on microshaft software? AAAARGH!

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:50:37 (EST) From: NewsFlash Email: None To: All Subject: Maharaji at Hans Jyanti Declares!!! Message:

November 9...India..Maharaji Speaking in Front of Thousands Of Devotees Declared Victory in His Mission Of Bringing Peace to this World. 'Many times I Came Before, But This Time I have Made More Money then Ever Before. There has never been a Time when the Lord of All Creation does not Take a Human Body and Now Finally the World Knows: Who isn't GOD Anymore!!' He Then Stated that He is Retiring To Amaroo to Spend his Remaining Days Drinking Cognac smoking Marlboros and assisting the local Rabbit population in their rapid Spiritual Evolution by using them as Target Practice. To the Delight of The Crowd, Maharaji named....Jagdeo as the NEW Lord Of The Universe...Maharaji Declared 'Dear Premies..Why are you Crying??? Dont you Know Satguru Never Dies, He Just Makes as Much Money Off his Premies as He Can and then Hides. Look There is a NEW Satguru Amoungst You. One with the SAME High Moral and Ethical Standards that You Worshipped in Your Previous Guru Maharaji!!..I give you the Former Mahatma Jagdeo Now SHRI JAGDEO MAHARAJ...' Speaking under conditions of Anonymity, Monica Lewis confirmed that Maharaji had been hinting of Retiring for Years.'We kind of saw this Coming. Bringing Peace to this World has been a Tremendous Strain On Him, and, well, He has been suffering some performance problems for quite some time.' In a Related Story, David Smith held a News Conference in Chicago naming Himself as the REAL New Maharaji saying 'Everyone..The First Western Satguru has Come..No more Mr. Nice Guy....Recognize Him..Adore Him..Obey Him...'

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:46:56 (EST) From: Katie Email: None To: All Subject: Reposting Vicki's 'BEST' post from below Message:

Note: I am doing this for two reasons: (1)it was a great post that I'm not sure everyone got to read, and (2)I don't want to read arguments between SC, CW and others, which have been pretty dominant. No shame, no blame, just a re-post - thanks to Vicki. Vicki wrote: Elan Vital inadvertantly sent me to EPO. I was on First Class, checking in to see what needed doing, and came across a blurb that said if anyone needed counseling from the disruption at the Mainz (sp) program, they should call said number and talk with instructors. Well, that put a big question in my curious brain and so I went looking to find out what could have possibly happened that people would need counseling. No where on the net could I find anything so I ended up here and found it being discussed on the Forum. I started reading the EPO site and got my socks blown off. I would check in to see what ya all were discussing and I remember feeling like I wanted to say something, but didn't dare. I just wanted to talk but I didn't even know what to say, how to say it or if I could say anything at all. The more days that went by and I kept logging on to the Forum, the more amazed I was that people were actually so open. I finally couldn't stand it anymore and got brave, jumped in and honestly it felt like I had hit a button to detenate myself when I actually posted. It was terrifying. That posting was so very hard. You all were seasoned, had been through this rocky journey, were rock solid in your convictions, and here I was, this nearly 30 year pwk that was dutifully living the life and times of Maharaji's World. For those of you that weren't there, that was a big buzz word at a Long Beach event.....the world of knowledge. There's this world but then there's the other world, the world of knowledge....... For me, it was like jumping into a blender and having someone hit frappe. I can't explain what it's like to one day be a Erika whats her name and the next, sitting bug eyed at the comp feeling like calling 911 to bring a straight jacket, and take me where? Where the hell does one go to recover, recapture, reorganize a life that flew out the window in less than a blink of an eye? I couldn't call my best friends who had watched me join up way back when and thought I'd lost all my marbles. I couldn't call up my parents who had watched me march off to every corner of the world to see M, join an ashram and leave behind everything that had ever meant anything to me. I couldn't tell my husband that the greatest thing in my life, which I introduced him to, was a big scam. I couldn't tell my children, who I had spoon fed on knowledge and now wanted knowledge for themselves, that it was all possibly one big lie. I couldn't call up the premies I have spent these years with and blow their world up along with mine. I couldn't put an APB out over First Class and ask for clarification, well maybe I should have. The point is, as my world was falling apart, I really had no where to turn but here. Honestly. Finding a psychiatrist and to even start to go into this was too much to even contemplate. Nope, you guys were it. You didn't know you were it, but you were. Sanity in the face of my dwindling grip on the most intimate part of my soul. Trying to sort through EPO was daunting, but coming to the Forum was real. You were real people talking. And as much as I needed the history, I needed real people at the most fragile time in my life. I've been through a lot in my life, a whole lot as a matter of fact, but not one thing has knocked me more for a loop than finding out my perfect master, my living lord, my reason for having a human life make sense, was a....well you all know what goes here. So what would have made it easier for me? I don't know, something between recent ex's (too scared to give my real name and email) and the forum. Although, I feel if people on the forum had known what my state of being was, they would have been gentle. But it doesn't help in those first days to be told it will get better. It's true, but the feelings are so raw, honestly I just needed some tlc and chai. That chai thread was one of my favorites. My reason for starting this discussion was because if it is as John says, then it would be great if we could update just a little to make it easier for the ones he said want to post but aren't strong enough yet. I am eternally grateful for everyone here and for the EPO site. It would have been a long, long, long lonely road to try and go it alone.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 13:08:39 (EST) From: Jim S. Email: None To: Katie Subject: Re:Vicki's BEST...should this be... Message:

put in someplace for new forum readers to read and digest? It is such a candid description of what has happened to so many people as they are exposed to unheard of information about m, and how they react. I think it would be valuable if it were put in some place where it could easily be read by new readers/lurkers/posters. Many people have described their first reaction to 'the other side' of m that is presented here as 'premie pornograhy' at first, 'mind boggling and riveting' later, and finally, 'instumental' in re-evaluating their position with the whole thing. The power of information is enormous....in helping all people to see both sides of the story and letting them make up their own minds, a great service is being performed....

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 16:06:16 (EST) From: Jim Email: None To: Jim S. Subject: Yes, for sure Message:

I agree. Vicki really said it so well. Why, even a hardened ol' ex like myself felt a little somethin' somethin'. Can't remember what now but somethin'. No, honestly, Vicki could spell it out even more. It's quite a predicament the withdrawing premie's in. She really captures that.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:11:31 (EST) From: Francesca :C) Email: None To: Jim S. Subject: This should be put with Rich Mandrake's Message:

... absolutely best Forum post. Maybe there should be a category for recent exes experiencing the FINAL DRIP. Of course, since people do not know our Anthian-coined lingo, it should be called something like A PREMIES' LAST STRAW, or THE PAINFUL FIRST STEP, that says something like 'several new ex-premies speak about their raw and painful exit process.' Definitely, we need a category for this stuff. Some of us did the reverse final straw, like me and Deb, where we were gone for years and never saw it for what it was, totally. But many premies coming now are just seeing it for what it is, and they need to see what others "in their shoes" are saying. You may find there are other posts, such as by folks like Peg, that could be gathered for this category. If any recent exes remember a particular post that outlined their process, similar to what Vicki is talking about perhaps you could email J-M and point it out to him to consider for the "Best of Forum" compilation on this topic. Francesca

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 16:53:12 (EST) From: Peg Email: None To: Francesca :C) Subject: Vicki's reply to Desert Woman Message:

stands out for me ..not exactly last drip but about the transition and again very passionate and speaking to premies on the brink. I'll check if its still here. peg

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:55:14 (EST) From: Chuck S. Email: None To: Francesca :C) Subject: Great idea, Fran... Message:

[nt]

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:25:09 (EST) From: Salam Email: None To: All Subject: Yikies Message:

I have done the undoable and visited the last caca site. All Joes fault. What a hoot. Are those guys serious? Am glad I did not check the rest, 'threatening to throw leflets from the air', what will that come under?

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:45:32 (EST) From: salsa Email: None To: Salam Subject: What?? Message:

liar

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 08:29:35 (EST) From: }) Email: None To: salsa Subject: What do you mean What? Message:

Liar??

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:50:33 (EST) From: JohnT Email: None To: }) Subject: irony Message:

I think Salsa did not spot you were being ironic when you said it was all Joe's fault. We all know it's Jim's fault for not being nice enough to Cac-heads. That's why they want to be horrid to ex-premies. I hope that has cleared things up.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 05:57:08 (EST) From: AJW Email: None To: All Subject: FA, Wozappenin? (ot) Message:

Hi FA, Just bringing to your attention a slight software glitch I noticed this morning. I posted a response, below, to the repost of Catweazles pathetic, damp squib, criticism of John's stuff,and at the same time it posted itself in a thread further down, of Nigels, something about Nogbad the Bad. The time of posting is the same on both messages. Ooooooer. Freaky eh? Anth the Systems Analyst.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:12:45 (EST) From: gerry Email: None To: AJW Subject: The glitch Message:

Yeah, Anth this same glitch has happened a couple of times. The register gets messed up or something. I think Selene knows what it is.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:50:44 (EST) From: Catweasel Email: None To: All Subject: Enough Mr Patrick Conlon!! Message:

You and the lovely M/sDeadboring have slipped too easily into the use of my non deplume and derivations there-of to blame just about everything bar the world Trade Centre disaster on me. I warn you once. I am not involved with the CAC sites and if you continue to libel me, either directly or by imputation I will sue your arse off. I am not joking. As well do not attempt to slander me to the IP. Once and once only

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:40:33 (EST) From: JohnT Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Hey! Cac-sleasle !! Message:

So sue then. Put up or shut up. Better yet, just shove off. Go away and worship your Useless Master, the fraudulent Prempal Rawat of Malibu. JohnT - never a premie

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 08:56:00 (EST) From: Anarchist Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Ner ner, ner ner ner Message:

Catweasel is a CACyweasel. CACy CACy CACweasel. So there!!!

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:33:12 (EST) From: ignorant Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: whats a cac? NT Message:

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:31:03 (EST) From: JohnT Email: None To: ignorant Subject: What's that smell?! Message:

Cack is British slang for faeces, dung, stools, shit, poo, number two, doo doos, stinky logs. In other words, excrement. It derives from Old English cakken, which in turn came from the Latin cacare. CAC was a tendentious and libellous site anonymously put up by premies, it would seem with Rawat's implicit approval. It anonymously attacked named persons and published defamatory and libellous material about those named ex-premies. One particularly dizzying piece of nastiness was to publish a picture of an ex with his daughter, implying it was a picture of a pedophile with victim. The site was called Citizens Against Cyberstalking (hence the CAC) and was doubtless put up by someone unaware of the international subtleties of his own language. The Brits here immediately started using the term Cac-heads to refer to people who, while remaining anonymous, use the Web in an attempt to damage and hurt ex-premies by naming and defaming them on the Web.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:18:16 (EST) From: AJW Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Catweazle you are a complete Twat. Message:

Talk about paranoid. How can anyone libel an imaginary character from children's fiction. You fucking idiot. Catweazle is a fucking scumbag cultslime who started the Gulf War, assasinated Princess Diana, and is recruiting for the Afghan army. He also carries several transmittable diseases and sells crack to 3 year olds. He is plotting to overthrow the Govt of Australia and install himself as dictator. He hasn't had a hard-on since 1972, when he saw Queen Elizabeth 2nd. SUE ME FUCKWIT. Anth Ginn.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 07:53:49 (EST) From: Nottingham Bunnie Email: None To: AJW Subject: Thanks Anth that made me LOL! (nt) Message:

nt

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 05:00:47 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Ghosts have to sue in ghost courts and,... Message:

....they went out of fashion with the New England spiritualists in 1880. If you do not condemn the CAC attacks (but instead gloat and threaten to keep records of messages posted here to ADD to further CAC attacks) you are not only condoning the attempt to silence critics of Rawat by intimidation sites but in fact abetting them. I think you fail to realize that I am entitled to criticize whom I please including your massa. You also have that right but you are not entitiled to do so here regardless of your IT talents. Your welcome here is contingent on your influence and credibilty. But you've been enslaved in a cult of two (a folie a deux with your massa) for so long that you have forgotten how democracy works - by influence and credibilty. You have neither here and are no longer welcome.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:50:44 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Re: Ghosts have to sue in ghost courts and,... Message:

Naturally , I'm not referring to my non de plume Patty. You know exactly what I am talking about. Just try and give your amateur Dick Tracey efforts a rest. My spies tell me what questions you and the horseheads have been asking.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 12:31:38 (EST) From: gerry Email: None To: CW Subject: Speaking from the Chair Message:

OK Cultweasel, you are not welcome here regardless of your ability to get around blocks. When I find out who you are and where your IP is I will surely send them a laundry list of complaints and quotes from your smarmy feral ass. Stop posting here. Can that be any clearer?

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 02:33:13 (EST) From: Loaf Email: None To: All Subject: The Bridge of assumptions Message:

I was posting a post to vicky down below when I started yabbering about something Nigel and I were talking about the other night... so I thought I would repost it in its own thread, cos its damn good interesting stuff ! Nige said something the other night about a leap of faith that PREMIES have to make.. and I realised that perhaps in the olden days this was much more apparant.. the Indian style was one of being explicit... say 'My Guru will show you God' with enough certainty... and the certainty itself will impress the listener who is made 'open' by their own lack of certainty. Perhaps a definition of 'open' would be MOST revealing... But nowadays.. What Maharaji does, most skillfully and also 'intelligently' (HA !)is to build a series of assumptions which carry a person from one place to another. 10 steps which WOULD constitute ONE leap of faith in the 1970s and early 80s when he the style and focus of his presentation was EXPLICIT.. but since then has become IMPLICIT: We all need to feel happy. Agreed. We all know that life should be enjoyed. Agreed. The world is getting worse. Agreed. We are all going to die one day. Agreed. What happens before death is important. Agreed. Books can only do so much. Agreed. A Living Teacher can make something so much more alive. Agreed. Life is not a dead subject. Agreed. We all need to find help from time to time. Agreed Maharaji can help. Agreed. 10 easy stages. The illusion is that once you have 'bought into' those assumptions, you can undo them at a moments notice and walk away.. but it is like getting toothpaste back in its tube... IF you question the final assumption 'maharaji can help' - you are questioning them all.. because he laid the path down. If you question the final assumption, you are questioning your own 'heart's' judgement. If you are questioning the judgement 'of your heart' - you are questioning THAT Feeling...and that is something nobody will do.. I WONT DO IT NOW ! That is because Questioning has become the enemy.The Illusion is that Questioning SEEMS to destroy the FEELING. It is disloyal. Well let me tell ya folks... YOU CAN HAVE BOTH. It takes a little bit of getting used to...but once you have crossed the bridge of assumptions you have to look at why a bridge was needed at all. Fear of falling. Once you start to truly OWN your experience (of Knowledge.. but also to some extent the whole bag of dirty laundry that has been unwashed in 20 years) - flying becomes an option. No need of the old bridge.. and the two worlds... the blissful and the darshan soaked magic AND the independance of thought and relationship to our personalities which needs to be re-forged, can work together. Its a tough one for a while.. but there is great treasure in having been on this journey... ordinary middle age never would have suited any of us really ! All the best Loafie

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 15:58:26 (EST) From: Brian Smith Email: None To: Loaf Subject: personal responsibility is the key Message:

Very well put loafie, Owning up to the responsibility of my own experience is the way that I have been handling the crossover from premie to ex-premie. Accepting that M is an imposter was the easy part, letting go of the hopes and illusions that he could help me bridge the space between self and soul after so much indoctrination to the contrary was the more challenging. Cleaning up and owning up to the dirty laundry that I personally perpetrated as a practicing cult member was and is the most difficult task yet. It turns out that it is all just another illusion, he being the lord, M the inner guide, the master, whatever. It was like whenever he reinvented his purpose, I would just throw it on the internal compost pile and let it ferment with the rest of the concepts about him, the real rotting vegetables at work in my life. You are right Loaf, questions about this process are the enemy, because questions open up the possibility for answers, real answers instead of the patented cult responses designed to create the ultimate result which is to stop the questioning. Once one concedes that one is no longer worthy of asking questions or that there are no more valid questions, then one begins the slippery slide into the cult consciousness. Once initiated a whole new identity game presents itself, alienate old friends, develop new cult relationships and see how far up the pecking order one can get or much of a cult elitist one can aspire to. It is easy to see how this thing continues, the cult elitist or member has a huge emotional investment in keeping it going, M has that and everything else in his life riding on the myth. It works out perfectly, M needs to control people, these people need to be controlled, told what to do, what to think (or not to think) and the match is made. The myth as I have come to realize it and you characterized so well is that I don't need anyone or anything inside or outside of my life and mind to fix me or to make me 'perfect'. I arrived on this earth with all of the necessary parts to function quite correctly thank you. I am a complete package just as I am, I am not a factory defect that needs some tinkering about to get me operating at the acceptable level of someone else's, or some groups dictates. When I fail to accept responsibility for my own assembly and I give that choice over to another power, that is when I lose my ability to find and live my own 'no control needed existence'. Some instruction necessary maybe, but just paying attention to what is going on in my life will suffice. Middle age holds a whole new and exciting journey born out of a not so ordinary extraction from years of cult indoctrination. I consider myself extremely lucky to have grown up, and survived the follies and magical thinking of my youthful years

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:45:52 (EST) From: Richard Email: None To: Loaf Subject: Re: ordinary middle age LOL Message:

Loaf, Your bridge outline is astute, but I laughed out loud at your rather poingnant closing remark. 'Its a tough one for a while.. but there is great treasure in having been on this journey... ordinary middle age never would have suited any of us really ! ' At least we have bizarre stories to tell in middle age. Cheers, mate! Richard

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:43:27 (EST) From: AJW Email: None To: Loaf Subject: The Living Teacher Message:

Hiyer loafie, I love the expression, 'Living Teacher.' Did anyone ever learn anything from a corpse? Anth the eyes wide open.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:18:57 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Loaf Subject: Loafie, you amaze me Message:

By that I mean your writing is like a maze - to me at least. When I first start to read it, it seems so convoluted and then suddenly I see your point and it all makes sense. Great stuff! I meant to tell you this after your last post about exiting the cult and how it was not that easy for you. Well, it has not been easy for me either. I've even said that many a time to the resident (they think) cacweasels as a means of attempting to make them understand why people are so angry and upset. The cult apologists' answer is: ''Maharaji says if you don't like it - walk. So walk. Stop criticizing him and we'll stop harassing you by posting threats here and intimidating you with hate sites.'' Well, apart from the absolute indecency of this statement and the fact that they are proud of their unethical tactics, (sorry cultists we are quite entitled to criticise Rawat; he is a salesman and his product is defective; it's called educated consumerism) it's also very bad advice. The cultists have not tried walking and are terrified of doing so which is why they attack us. They are attempting to avoid dealing with their own superstitious religious paranoia. Well, I'm fighting mine. Yes, Loaf, it is not easy to ''walk'' away from M and K. I have had some quite horrible experiences thinking that I was turning into a rotting vegetable and I'm serious. I just don't talk about it much as I don't like dwelling on negative thoughts. I've tried putting on a brave face and being artificially jolly but I feel shafted without vaseline. Instead of sitting and moaning about it though I intend to do something about it. I prefer feeling righteously angry than impotently victimized. But definitely the best revenge is to live well and that seems to be the reward for breaking from Rawat. I feel clean and clear and sane for the first time in quite a while. My cult malaise had become so chronic that I hardly noticed that I had the cult virus. What a relief to be well again.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 11:55:47 (EST) From: Katie Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Great post, Pat - thanks Message:

I sense sometimes that you do put a good face on things, but I think it's important not to - at least sometimes. It gives hope to others who may be going through the same thing you are. And I love that line 'The best revenge is living well' - I believe Joe was the first person who posted it on the forum, and it has made so many people that I know feel better. BTW, I am VERY glad the police took you seriously, Pat (thank god for San Francisco, eh?), and I think you are right to speak up about feeling hurt and victimized. I have not so far been listed on one of the attack sites, but I can imagine how it would feel - and I have been afraid that it might happen to me too (especially after the latest truly WEIRD list of supposed 'hate group' members on 'Halt Hate On-line'.) But I truly hate intimidatory tactics, as I know you do - and I despise people telling me to 'sit down and shut up' - which I guess is what 'Just Walk' is supposed to mean. Or so it appears. Love, Katie

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 13:24:40 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Katie Subject: Thanks, Katie Message:

I feel very lucky in that I have Chuck and Andy. I have cried on their shoulders many a time in the past year. That's why I stick around here. Not everyone has a shoulder to cry on. I have thought of writing about the agony of ''walking away'' from Rawat but it is still so close it is too painful. One day I will. Bring two boxes of Kleenex. ;)

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 07:49:39 (EST) From: Loaf Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Re: Loafie, you amaze me Message:

Now that I read it back.. it seems convoluted to me too ! it was very early in the morning when I wrote it.. I must have been sleepy. Forgiveness is all I crave Loaf PS no vaseline eh......just spit and polish

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 13:29:31 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Loaf Subject: Loafie, sometimes the convoluted writings are.... Message:

....the best, the most passionate. Many a time I have cringed at one of my rambling posts written late at night after a few glasses of wine but the rawness is real and sincere. As they say in the business: never edit your own stuff as it makes you censor yourself. I am always rewarded by re-reading your messages. It's fun to suddenly see where you're going.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 13:50:32 (EST) From: Loaf Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Thanks Pat Message:

....the best, the most passionate. Many a time I have cringed at one of my rambling posts written late at night after a few glasses of wine but the rawness is real and sincere. As they say in the business: never edit your own stuff as it makes you censor yourself. I am always rewarded by re-reading your messages. It's fun to suddenly see where you're going. --- I agree... its quite often a surprise to me too. By the way.. which business is that exactly ? Are people getting paid to post here ?? Am I misssing out ?

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:34:42 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Loaf Subject: You didn't know we get paid to post? Message:

One dollar per word with ten dollars subtracted for every typo. ;) I used to edit all my own stuff and often killed it stone dead by over-writing. Then Chuck became my editor and I never looked back. In the writing business editors hate it when you either try to do it yourself or resist any of their alterations.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 15:18:29 (EST) From: Loaf Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Re: You didn't know we get paid to post? Message:

I have to say that this pay -per-word policy is only going to encourage spammers.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 23:47:29 (EST) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: All Subject: Yanks ? Help needed for translation Message:

We're just finishing to translate John's messages. I have one problem in this paragraph: 'Attending the Sept '00 fundraiser, the thing I enjoyed most was the bar at night - watching Yoram work the room (that guy should work for the GOP) and catching up with old friends.' What does GOP stands for ?

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 23:56:08 (EST) From: Barbara Email: None To: Jean-Michel Subject: GOP Message:

GOP means 'Grand Old Party,' which is another term for the Republican Party in the U.S.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 00:05:11 (EST) From: Inside Edition Email: None To: Barbara Subject: Re: GOP Message:

which is well known for it's very successful fundraising.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 00:44:58 (EST) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Inside Edition Subject: Thank you guys (nt) Message:

aaaaaaa

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 22:04:10 (EST) From: PatC and Chuck Email: pdconlon@hotmail.com To: All Subject: To all CAC victims: report to police Message:

When the first CAC attack took place we did nothing about it as it disappeared so quickly. We figured that the cops may not take it seriously. Also we did not think that we had anything serious to fear. Well, we were wrong on all counts. As the cult comes under more and more pressure, it's loonier members may well become more and more crazy and out of control. There is one premie in my city who is capable of ''doing anything to defend his master'' and has already been in prison for making a bomb threat against EV and the premies whom he thought were not obeying Rawat's agya. These probably are the same sort of people who continue to harass us on the forum and who made the CAC attacks. As Cacweasel has said in several posts here and on AG today: there is no organization and premies are individuals acting on their own. This is only partially true as Rawat has it in his power to reprimand criminal behavior committed by his ''students'' in his name and is in fact legally obligated to do so. Anyway, Chuck and I checked into reporting the CAC attacks and other incidents of cult harassment (which I cannot mention as they are under investigation) to the police department and found out that we had to file a report to the local police and get a case number before it would be followed up by the Hate Crimes Task Force of the SF police department. Well, guess what? They did take it extremely seriously and asked for every detail of the cult and the CAC attacks. The fact that most of the sites have disappeared is not a problem as long as we have some leads. Unlike private individuals, the police can get warrants for the IP#s of the CAC creators. Even if they are anonymous they can be traced back to the computer from which they originated. They asked for the names of the cult leader and suspected perpetrators and the urls of the sites. Please keep all info about the cult anti-ex sites that you turned up using ARIN or WHOIS. Keep all harassing posts made to you here or draw attention to them as this forum may be monitored by the police from now on. Also, keep all harassing emails and anything else that you think is important. If you were slandered on Glasser's site report it eventhough that site has now been changed. Most importantly, for your protection, report that you have been victimised by the cult either by CAC or by cult apologists on the forum. Keep your case number and give the cops as much info as you deem necessary. If you know other people in your city who have been CAC victims, please get them to file a report and refer to your case number. The fact that the cult did not condemn the first CAC attack thereby allowing the others to take place is of particular concern. The fact that the CAC sites published the home and business addresses and phone numbers of ex-premies thereby giving information to insane cult members shows a callous indifference for our safety. Please report it as soon as possible not only to protect yourself from future harassment but in the event there is a suit brought against the cult. It will be proof that you feared for your safety. Feel free to email us if you have any questions or if you need our case number and reporting officer's name.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 22:23:57 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: PatC and Chuck Subject: Well this is more like it Message:

Pat, Well you know that I agree with you, and for the same reasons. Yes, we have names, numbers, posts that are archived. Roupell is playing a game where he tries to turn the tables around on who is stalking who and revising BUT his game didn't work. He has admitted in posts, silly Roupell, that he has a gang of people cheering him on and even telling him what to say. Furthermore, Roupell claims that the FBI are watching us to make sure we don't slip. He threatened the other day to call a 'friend' who has a file on me. NO THREATS THERE!! The Law is on our side. Cyberstalking services will also assist us with this on the condition that we have reported it to the local police. I told you this last time. I also told my teachers and authorities at school about the cyberstalking. They took it so seriously they allowed me to do my tests when I could handle it. I am making some new reports now. I emailed you with a clever little idea. Let's get busy Pat. No ex has ever cyberstalked a premie nor would we ever. MAHA is a piece of shit who stinks more every day. He is a criminal who is only a star in the eyes of cult members. The public has NO compassion for him. Maha flew into a rage when he found out one of his co-pilots found out he was a Guru. Premies, i ask you, does that make sense. Only if MAHA is a cult leader and would like others to be impressed with his multi-millions and googly-eyed entourage following him around wiping his ass. Maha, YOU SUCK.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 01:15:00 (EST) From: SC Email: None To: Deborah Subject: Oh so clever Patrick Conmanon Message:

Removing my reply to the libelous post above.... ...made it look a little silly didn't it? The last final resort of the beaten and desperate, remove any right of reply. Now I know why you got beat up at school all the time. Never mind, Miss Rose's libelous post has been sent to the right place to be seen by the right people. Cat's right, you really sink lower than anyone around here.. Understand this Mr Conlon... unlike you... I DO NOT LIVE IN OR OPERATE FROM - FEAR Fear comes from guilt and it is very clear who the guilty ones are. It is also clear why. Gonna shuffle this post away now?

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:41:00 (EST) From: salsa Email: None To: SC Subject: shuffling you away.... Message:

Little boy, it is time to go home now to meditate 'cause you sound 'in your mind'. Who is laughing now? hahhahahaha I feel sorry for you. ()) Do you happen to know why ex-premies never go back?

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:29:49 (EST) From: AJW Email: None To: SC Subject: Put your money where your mouth is SC. Message:

SC, You said, you 'DO NOT LIVE IN OR OPERATE FROM - FEAR'. Then how come you're scared to use your real name, like Pat and lots of other folk here do? Come on SC, wocha scared of? Afraid to put your money where your mouth is? Anth Ginn

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 01:27:50 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: SC Subject: Your post was spam, Roupell Message:

You have already posted that exact same insulting message to Deborah three times on this page in threads below. Your continued harassment of Deborah (or any ex-premie) will not be tolerated. You are no longer welcome here. Your presence is seen for what it is - an attempt by a cult apologist to intimidate ex-premies and introduce an atmosphere that is not conducive to new exes to post here. You are NOT entitled to post here and have overstayed your welcome. Please leave at once. If you wish to make your views known post them on LG or make your own website - unless you already have - CAC. Premies can hear your side of the story by visiting Rawat's propaganda sites. Exes do not have to tolerate your deceitful, cynical, disrespectful and sociopathic behaviour. The police have already seen enough of your fanatical cult behaviour and they are also in the archives. If I am requested to do so, your future posts will be deleted.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:44:00 (EST) From: SC Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: You manipulative bag of shit Conlon Message:

You can't fight well so you fight dirty. NoPatsy, that post was not spam, it was a one off reply. You allow one of the most spiteful, malicious and dishonest Cyberstakers (Deborah Rose) to post an untruthful libelous bunch of shit about me and then you delete my reply. Ho fucking ho. Why? Because instead of being intimidated by the pathetic hidden threats she intended... I WELCOMED THE POLICE TO THIS FORUM AND ENCOURAGED THEM TO STUDY THE CAC FILES VERY THOROUGHLY WHICH THEY NO DOUBT ARE DOING. Yes, and that brilliant post about Ms Rose is very very embarrassing isn't it? Check your INSIDER editing facilities and you will see that I did not originally post it, you great bumbling buffoon. Now run off and write another grovelling suck up to loaf who confused you until you saw the light. Yea.....you'd say anything..

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 14:26:48 (EST) From: Francesca :C) Email: None To: SC Subject: You IDIOT! People are not cyberstalkers .. Message:

... who merely post on Forums. All Deborah has done is post on F5 - 7 and Life's Great. Responding to your posts is not cyberstalking. If that is cyberstalking, you are guilty of cyberstalking yourself. But that's not what cyberstalking means. A cyberstalker hunts and tracks someone down, finds out where they work, where they live, where they go, what they do, who their friends are, threatens and intimidates them REPEATEDLY in their private capacity. JUST LIKE CAC AND ITS PROGENY DID TO MANY EXES. How else did they get the information on exes that they obtained and posted, some of it untrue because they weren't such great sleuths???? Why were people like Marianne harassed at their (supposed) workplace??? Nothing like that has happened to you. You haven't the foggiest what the term "cyberstalking" even means!!! I will make one distinction. If an FA asks you to stop posting on a Forum, and you persist, and the FA happens to find out through your IP address who your ISP is, and complains to your ISP about your unwelcome activities, THAT is not cyberstalking either. Nor are you a cyberstalker if the FA thinks you are unwelcome here. That merely makes you a pest who is wasting his money (he owns the board and pays for the "screenviews") and time. The more you show your ignorance about what cyberstalking truly is, the more you will raise suspicion that you are one of the people behind CAC and its progeny, because THOSE FOLKS have NO IDEA what cyberstalking really means, or at least they PRETEND to have no idea. And remember, law enforcement may be monitoring this bulletin board.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 16:06:39 (EST) From: Marianne Email: None To: Francesca :C) Subject: Very well said Message:

Thanks for pointing out what should be obvious to SC and cat. They are becoming more shrill and nasty as the days go by.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 07:52:09 (EST) From: Loaf Email: None To: SC Subject: Re: You manipulative bag of shit Conlon Message:

I can take the credit for confusing Mr Conlon... but the light was always his own. I just helped him to see it. Loaf

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:37:41 (EST) From: AJW Email: None To: SC Subject: Got a minute SC?? Message:

You can't fight well so you fight dirty. NoPatsy, that post was not spam, it was a one off reply. You allow one of the most spiteful, malicious and dishonest Cyberstakers (Deborah Rose) to post an untruthful libelous bunch of shit about me and then you delete my reply. Ho fucking ho. Why? Because instead of being intimidated by the pathetic hidden threats she intended... I WELCOMED THE POLICE TO THIS FORUM AND ENCOURAGED THEM TO STUDY THE CAC FILES VERY THOROUGHLY WHICH THEY NO DOUBT ARE DOING. Yes, and that brilliant post about Ms Rose is very very embarrassing isn't it? Check your INSIDER editing facilities and you will see that I did not originally post it, you great bumbling buffoon. Now run off and write another grovelling suck up to loaf who confused you until you saw the light. Yea.....you'd say anything.. --- SC There is a place of stillness and a place of noise. A place of reality and a place of confusion. We can tell the difference by what we feel in our hearts. The true nature of a human being is love, and we are only truly fulfilled when we feel it for ourselves. So, I would recommend you reconnect to what you really are SC, your true nature within. Take a deep breath and take that step. It's OK. You won't fall. There's a whole planet full of human beings out here waiting to catch you. You really can trust the creator. There is life outside the cult and you see alot more if you take your fingers out your eyes. Anth, dancing to the sound of falling wax still getting off on giving satsang.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:49:26 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: SC Subject: Is that all the thanks I get, Mr Roupell Message:

You are soooo ungrateful! You should thank me for turning you into a martyr for your cause. But I forgive you. You may kiss my left hand. :)

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 09:41:10 (EST) From: AJW Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: LOL Message:

Hi Pat, If he's a good boy, you could let him kiss your holy ring. Anth, the holy shit.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 22:38:03 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Deborah Subject: Re: Well this is more like it Message:

I love your colorful vocabulary, Deborah, and I have just as sharp a tongue as you BUT I will be cooling my purple passages a bit now that the cops are monitoring the forum. ;) If any Cacweasels stalk you or harass you on the forum please post directly after their posts drawing attention to it for the cops as the forum is a bit hard to read sometimes. Just say something like: ""CULT HARASSMENT!""

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 22:49:17 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: You got it! Message:

Yeah! Sometimes, I just can't help myself. MAHA has done a lot of damage, that's why we're here. And to make matters worse, he cowardly has his squirrels stalk us and attacks people livlihood. Sure, MAHA made MILLIONS of dollars in Arizona acouple of weeks ago just for showing up to thank 600 premies who make his financial life so sweet. He wouldn't have to worry about money for generations. His kids get $40,000 cars for their birthday from donations. But he wants to attack your business for pointing the finger at HIS crimes. People are still suckered into believing he is the most benevolent person on the planet. Why else would they serve him for free for 30 years. Just doesn't happen in the real world. He's still deceiving, but now he has to be in the destruction game as well. And John Mc said that Elan Vital would stop at nothing to protect Maha. They're drowning in deception and mind-control, someone throw those guys a life raft.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 22:42:27 (EST) From: Marianne Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Pat, please call me NOW Message:

You know how to reach me

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 22:43:41 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Will do so in about ten minutes [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 19:42:31 (EST) From: Repost of Catweasel Email: None To: All Subject: re; John McGregor Message:

What keeps me here is the amazement at the furballs you are willing to swallow. EG: J McG was never close like he describes. Only ever by accident. He has been bitter about not being accepted in to 'the gang' (his vision)for most of the nineties. He has not been close to M in all that time. Good fiction but only hearsay.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 10:17:05 (EST) From: Mickey the Pharisee Email: None To: Repost of Catweasel Subject: Re: re; John McGregor Message:

Let's face it; even if Marolyn decided to leave M and posted here exposing everything M has done, CW would post the claim that she was never really close and just wanted to be. Heck, if M suddenly discovered his conscience and repented of all the evil he and Elan Vital have done, CW would post that M was never really close and was a wannabe. CW's post regarding John McGregor is just his usual knee-jerk reaction. Mickey who was never really close and didn't even want to be the Pharisee

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 05:52:47 (EST) From: AJW Email: None To: Repost of Catweasel Subject: Is this the best you can do Cat? Message:

It's pathetic. So, you don't dispute any of John's claims then? You have lots in common with the German guards defending Hitler's bunker against the Russians, 'Waiting for the Third Army to break through from the West'. It's all over Cat. Luckily so many passengers left already there's plenty of room in the lifeboats. Pack it in and go home mate. It's finished. Anthski Ginski, lovechild of Mother Theresa and Joseph Stalin.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 08:56:01 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: AJW Subject: You should know by now.. Message:

I am not going to bite. Anthony, I could do very well.But what would be the point.You are all believing what you want, especially you. Choose to think it's over if you wish. It's really irrelevant to most of us who actually enjoy it all.You can be such a sad old fuck............Pathos is your middle name.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 09:34:37 (EST) From: AJW Email: None To: CW Subject: Yawn. Message:

I am not going to bite. Anthony, I could do very well.But what would be the point.You are all believing what you want, especially you. Choose to think it's over if you wish. It's really irrelevant to most of us who actually enjoy it all.You can be such a sad old fuck............Pathos is your middle name. --- sorry, I missed that, were you going to say something. Zzzzzzz. anth the wake me up when the footballs on.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 21:05:40 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Repost of Catweasel Subject: Debunking nonsense [nt] Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 19:33:27 (EST) From: Vicki Email: None To: All Subject: New people Message:

I think I know what is so scary about coming to this forum. People might be reading and getting educated in the facts presented on EPO, but when it comes to actually posting, it's like crossing a line. Up until then, it's possible to kind of just stay in a bubble with all the conflicting emotions, rationals and wonderings safely enveloped, and no one knows. Once the decision is made to post, it's an entirely different thing. It's a step, one very big step. Stepping over the line of demarkation from the world of knowledge into this forum of ex-premies, means either one is defecting or becoming a traitor to that wonderful perfect master. At least this is what it feels like. It's a decision, and it's a decision no one makes lightly. So posting is a very tenuous commitment of sorts, mostly to one's self. It's a huge admission that not all is perfect in the land of knowledge. We all come in different stages and with different temperments. What one needs another might not. But the term 'landing pad' kinda accurately described what is needed. So if it's possible to combine the suggestions without sacrificing the wonderful intensity and honesty of the forum, I'm sure people who are out there reading right now will be most appreciative. I know we all look forward to hearing what they have to say, and how their lives have been affected.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 09:35:43 (EST) From: Mike Finch Email: None To: Vicki Subject: Compromise Forum Message:

I just posted this response to Jim down below, but it seems to be relevant your post Vicki, so I am posting it again here (the italics are from Jim's post): Assuming that the online ex-premie community continues to grow, I still worry about a whole lot of people starting to join that select, private group. They'll all be able to read the regular forum, of course, although none of the regulars here can do the same there. I just don't like it. This suggestion has been made before, but I think it would answser most of your concerns, Jim, and also most of the concerns of exes or would-be exes: Have a forum which is password-protected to post, but open to be read by anyone. I know there would still be a bunch of issues (how is it determined who gets a password to post ? How could the FA distinguish a genuine recent ex, who has no well known-ex to vouch for him/her, from a shit-stirrer ?), but if there is going to be a Forum that really caters to exiting premies, has a large audience, and is focused and credible, I think it will need to be something like that. -- Mike

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 16:12:21 (EST) From: Jim Email: None To: Mike Finch Subject: That's interesting Message:

Actually, Mike, this is really interesting. I take it the forum id's would be optionally anonymous? That'd be the whole point, right? Allowing tentative and new exes to discuss matters, with each other at least, so they can think things out by talking them out? Others could read what they're saying and even comment, as they would, here on what they read but the participants could just stay focussed on their own dialogues there or, if they chose, avail themselves of the indirect feedback? Interesting at least. One real benefit of that plan is that it allows other premies to read and benefit form the process just by lurking but doesn't allow them to interfere. Worth thinking about.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 02:25:31 (EST) From: Loaf Email: None To: Vicki Subject: Re: New people Message:

I agree Vicks... and itis also important that people are allowed to remain anonymous until they are ready. Despite all the high handed campaigning re jagdeo and alchohol..these causes, although highly significant personally and in PR terms more visible, are no more important that the subtle, quiet displacement of a persons relationship with their culture, country and family (ie their 'influences)... the World, being replaced with an imaginary 'relationship' with an undefined 'phantom' - 'My Guru' (70s) Maharaji (NOT the person.. but the icon, the idol and the on-stage personality).. with 'that feeling' , again undefined and whilst being tangible subjectively, and very precious, it is, non the less, an illusion created by shared need. What Maharaji does, most skillfully and also 'intelligently' (HA !)is to build a series of assumptions which carry a person from one place to another. 10 steps which WOULD constitute ONE leap of faith in the 1970s and early 80s when he the style and focus of his presentation was EXPLICIT.. but since then has become IMPLICIT: We all need to feel happy. Agreed. We all know that life should be enjoyed. Agreed. The world is getting worse. Agreed. We are all going to die one day. Agreed. What happens before death is important. Agreed. Books can only do so much. Agreed. A Living Teacher can make something so much more alive. Agreed. Life is not a dead subject. Agreed. We all need to find help from time to time. Agreed Maharaji can help. Agreed. 10 easy stages. The illusion is that once you have 'bought into' those assumptions, you can undo them at a moments notice and walk away.. but it is like getting toothpaste back in its tube... IF you question the final assumption 'maharaji can help' - you are questioning them all.. because he laid the path down. If you question the final assumption, you are questioning your own 'heart's' judgement. If you are questioning the judgement 'of your heart' - you are questioning THAT Feeling...and that is something nobody will do.. I WONT DO IT NOW ! That is because Questioning has become the enemy.The Illusion is that Questioning SEEMS to destroy the FEELING. It is disloyal. Well let me tell ya folks... YOU CAN HAVE BOTH. It takes a little bit of getting used to...but once you have crossed the bridge of assumptions you have to look at why a bridge was needed at all. Fear of falling. Once you start to truly OWN your experience (of Knowledge.. but also to some extent the whole bag of dirty laundry that has been unwashed in 20 years) - flying becomes an option. No need of the old bridge.. and the two worlds... the blissful and the darshan soaked magic AND the independance of thought and relationship to our personalities which needs to be re-forged, can work together. Its a tough one for a while.. but there is great treasure in having been on this journey... ordinary middle age never would have suited any of us really ! All the best Loafie

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 19:50:44 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Vicki Subject: Another great post, Vicki Message:

Posting and getting involved here is the difference between being a former premie and an ex-premie. At first I did not want to take that step but my outrage at the criminal behavior of Rawat eventually forced me to take sides. In case you can no longer access the edit feature I have taken the liberty of correcting one typo of yours as your post is too important to leave it. You typed ''trader'' instead of ''traitor.''

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 05:41:59 (EST) From: Vicki Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Ooops! Please correct any and all typos! (nt) Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 20:21:35 (EST) From: Richard Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Very true Vicki Message:

I agree. This and your other posts are heartfelt and wise. When I first started posting it was a huge bridge. The day I posted under my real name, my palms were sweaty and the fear just burned away. Fear of speaking up for what I thought. It wasn't like I had dark secrets to expose. It was more like acknowledging to myself that what I thought and felt was more important than hiding out. But down deep the 'traitor' aspect lurks. Donner wrote eloquently about this some time back vis a vis being seen as a Judas character. I was shown a lot of respect and kindness when I first posted so it is only natural I would want to return the favor. Richard - who wasn't posting much at all until he got listed and now has nothing to "loose"

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 18:05:11 (EST) From: Is he Email: None To: All Subject: after something...??? Message:

einstein

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:28:41 (EST) From: Vicki Email: None To: Is he Subject: Re: after something...??? Message:

So why is it so easy to see through this yahoo? I've been wondering about something lately. If anyone has a take, I'd sure appreciate some input. I came to hear about M in August '74. He was married by then and 'Durga Ji' was absolutely beautiful and serene. The two of them were so sychronized in their actions while on stage, they could have been dolphins. Then came the babies who we all watched turn into beautiful children. M would sit and let us sing those devotional, lovey songs to him after his discourses, and we would absolutley moon over him. The pictures that were sold always showed him in a good light, whether serious or smiling or downright oozing love for the devotee. The mahatmas and initiators on tour would tell these wonderful inside stories of M. I never heard the nasty stuff. If it was a strange story, then it was always with a twist of the lord's lila, mercy, isn't it wonderful, spin. So how is it then, with all the abuse he was spewing on x-rated premies, pams, decca premies and anyone else within yelling range, unless the spotlight was on, we bought into the all merciful giver/source of love? Even his satsangs were downright heavy handed at times. Was it this illusion that having Marolyn and the kids, and hearing what a perfectly patient father he was, set the tone for us to buy into? And then sitting up there after satsang, furthered the belief of his love for us? Especially in the various Krishna and mala outfits. And then dance us into ecstasy. Talk about passive/aggressive. My husband said I bought into all this because M appeared unthreatening and westernized just enough to exude a bit of class instead of far out eastern mystism. His age also worked for him. Now that he's older, he comes on like a corporate ceo, which is what we are used to in western society. Around the Indian premies, he pulls out all the stops, but keeps his behavior even more hidden. It was near impossible to think of him as anything else than a loving perfect master, with a serene face posed for us to gaze into, especially during darshan where it was even more personalized. He still does the same thing, only now it is Daya and occasionally Wadi doing the singing, and the Rawat heir videos. It's really the same thing, isn't it, just an updated version in an expensive suit, instead of the Krishna outfits.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 06:34:20 (EST) From: Vicki Email: None To: Vicki Subject: Link Message:

I'll get it right eventually....too early, need latte. Phooey, click on the right side of the page where it lists "My wish" [ darn it ]

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 05:27:05 (EST) From: bill Email: None To: Is he Subject: Just buttin in Message:

Here is a little midnight madness I just posted at lifes great in response in a thread. Hi Guys, Today one guy at work had a religious radio station on, probably because he has recent drug/prison issues and is groping for some stability. I wonder if you have those kind of stations in Croatia. I dont reccomend them! I left to work elsewhere because I really cannot listen to preachers anymore. It made me think of that example I bet you are familiar with, the 5 blind men and the elephant. They each are feeling a different part of the elephant and so they describe it differently. Preachers always seem to be describing some part of the elephant that I am not contacting. So they arent really of any use. I am already touching the elephant, so I dont really need the report on thier part of the elephant unless maybe they are funny about it or jazzed by the whole thing which is how I think you Mili were being with your post below when you were talking about life is great. your comment above; 'It's like he/she/it woke up one morning and decided to create the whole thing for the sheer fun of it. And involved Himself in all sentient beings as awareness, to enjoy the drama.' I think you nailed it although I would insert a line having something to do with 'awareness with power options' So that it could do some steering during this drama. I have freinds that pray and talk like this 'oh heavenly father', but I just cannot talk like that because my part of the elephant must be around the rear end or ass, because life dumps on me with great regularity! Actually that is one of my arguments to Jim and Scott T and Nigel and others that there must be a god because we have some boundries that make no DNA sense. One positive side of my rear end view is that I notice that no one alive is able to lead a completely successful life, and no one is able to avoid problems or getting dumped on. If even one person could, it would support the DNA arguments, and also support those that think that god is an unconcious oneness like the buddhists think. Wierd to say, but getting shat on in life is one of the proofs that there is a god thingee with awareness and the power to make limits. Just a thought from my end of the elephant guys

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:49:25 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: All Subject: McGregor says M DID Harbor a Pedophile.. Message:

John MacGregor had a lot of very interesting things to say, but the following is particularly important: Jagdeo's crimes have been known about within EV, and by Maharaji, for more than 20 years. For instance there was a high-level meeting about Jagdeo's sexual abuse of children in 1980. Jagdeo appeared to have abused the child of a premie (a woman) then living in Florida. The woman was extremely wound up about it, and the instructor Maria Isabella - among others - was brought in to try and deal with her. Then as now, Maharaji had a very direct control, and a very thorough knowledge, of the activities of his instructors. In fact he controlled this aspect of his organisation more closely than any other. It's inconceivable that Maharaji was not aware of Jagdeo's activities then. But he chose not to act, beyond having the matter hushed up. So, this confirms that Maharaji and Elan Vital really did harbor a man who sexually abused children, for years. In addition to the fact that I believe Susan that she told Judy Osborne and Randy Prouty in the late 70s and I find impossible to believe they didn't tell Maharaji. I also believe that Abi's father told Charanand in the early 80s. Now we are told that Maharaji knew about Jagdeo at least by 1980, from someone else. This also personally freaks me out because I was Community Coordinator for Elan Vital in Miami during almost all of 1980, when Jagdeo apparently sexually molested another little girl in Florida. I didn't know Jagdeo was doing anything like that, but it freaks me out if this child was in the Miami community and nobody told me about the Jagdeo problem. So, that's number one. Maharaji knew about it and Jagdeo continued to tour. I can testify to the fact that Jagdeo was in Miami at different times in 1980, and I am aware of nothing that was done to protect the children he had contact with. Second, John says that he personally saw Jagdeo living in an Elan Vital Ashram in India recently. So, Jagdeo apparently continued to be 'harbored' even after the recent information came out from Susan and Abi here on EPO. Plus, it means that Marcia Leitner, in her letter to Susan on behalf of the Elan Vital Board of Directors, was either lying, or she was given false information (was 'set up') by Elan Vital, Maharaji, or whomever to lie, and say that Jagdeo was living in a village some place and hadn't been involved with Elan Vital 'since the 80s.' This is awfully incriminating of Elan Vital and Maharaji. And what does this say about Glen Whittaker, saying no one could recall any of this? Did he actually ASK Maharaji? Here is John's conclusion, with which I couldn't agree more: The Jagdeo affair is a towering example of the corruption that's set into the heart of what I believe to have, once, been a genuine attempt to help the world. That M is so central to Jagdeo's crimes continuing is, alone, reason enough for me to leave. There isn't a rationalization in the world that excuses complicity in raping children. That my friends continue to defend M in this respect seriously stretches my respect for them. Thank God there are still some people with integrity such that this sort of horrendous crime makes them split that cult.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:59:33 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: Joe Subject: Request to John B Message:

John, in light of the above, I would like to suggest that the title to the 'Jagdeo' section of the EPO website be changed back to what it originally was 'Harboring a Pedophile' (either British or American spelling is fine with me.) I would be happy to assist in getting lawyers to defend any suit by Elan Vital/Maharaji if they tried to come after EPO, and, of course, John might be asked to testify, as would, I assume a number of other EV people, both current and former premies, as well. Where is Maria Isabella now? Where is the little girl in Florida, and her mother, who were also Jagdeo's victims? This is just too important for us not to be on the side of the whole truth on this issue.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 20:07:13 (EST) From: JHB Email: None To: Joe Subject: Re: Request to John B Message:

Joe, I considered changing it back but decided to wait until John's promised post on the subject, when I planned to combine John's information with a clearer presentation of the whole topic. Thanks for the offer of support should EV attempt legal action. John.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 13:17:23 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: All Subject: Maharaji Cult Attack Websites - Day 6 Message:

It appears only ONE website set up by the Maharaji cult attacking ex-followers of Maharaji remains, from the original SIX that were up a few days ago. The servers have taken down both versions of the 'red' 'It's Right to Hate' websites in the past 24 hours. By the way, did anybody stop to read how ignorant those sites were? It was impossible to tell whether the premies who did it were trying to pretend the site was IN FAVOR of hate sites or against them. It was amazingly confused and made no sense. It also appeared to be anti-ACLU, but even that was hard to tell. That's the site that tried to transparently associate EPO with Anti-Semitic sites, and such. The servers saw right through it and dropped them after we reported them. Maybe that mental deterioration comes from reading Maharaji's inane poetry for far too long. One hate site remains: http://user.netomia.com/HaltOnLineABuse/ That site names a bunch of us, includes the names of our employers and says we are part of a 'hate' site that has done things like: Posted and published about Maharaji slanderous allegations, including that Maharaji is an alcoholic amd (sic) has killed a person. Premie honey, get it together. It's only 'slander' if it isn't true, and you, dear premie, don't even bother to deny that it IS true. So what is the damn point? I assume this premie is referring to Michael Dettmers (and others) telling us how much alcohol Maharaji drinks (and drank) and that incident in India when Dettmers said Maharaji left the scene of a fatal accident when he was driving and let somebody else take the rap. Also, what I don't understand is why didn't this premie talk about the other major allegations, like that Maharaji picked up, had sex with, and then dumped, a number of his female devotees? Doesn't this premie think THAT's slanderous? I can't figure it out.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 14:14:23 (EST) From: Richard Email: None To: Joe Subject: Re: Maharaji Cult Attack Websites - Day 6 Message:

Good points, Joe. What I can't figure out is how these sites are utilized. Is it a grape vine sort of thing where premies e-mail each other like 'Can you believe how horrid these ex-premies are? Look what they've done now. And look, Richard Rogers is one of THEM! Well, he always was weird, irreverent and unsurrendered . . . ' The premie grape vine has always been more effective than the official mailings anyway. Premies talk to each other and this will provide more to talk about. And the more they talk, the more the will learn. As I've said before, the CAC teaser sites are obviously fear-based and put up in hopes of bolstering their shaky belief system. And as many have pointed out, they only generate more interest in what the truth is. So welcome all you newcomers who are here out of curiosity. Try to look past the fliipant comments or dark humor to discover the truth for yourself. Richard

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 14:54:49 (EST) From: Joe Email: None To: Richard Subject: They also Backfired Message:

The return of CAC caused John MacGregor to reveal his identity, thereby increasing exponentially the credibility of the extremely, extremely, damaging things he had to say about Maharaji. Plus, they have done nothing to dissuade the rest of us from speaking out. Indeed, it forced us into a corner. Even if we might be getting bored with being involved in talking about our former cult, CAC FORCED us to maintain a presence, otherwise we are 'giving in to terrorism' or some such thing.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 18:21:41 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Joe Subject: I agree Message:

Even if we might be getting bored with being involved in talking about our former cult, CAC FORCED us to maintain a presence, otherwise we are 'giving in to terrorism' or some such thing. This also is forcing lawyers, and law enforcement to take more notice. Especially now that MAHA his cowardly crime to mushroom.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:38:05 (EST) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Joe Subject: I don't like being threatened either Message:

and my response is going to be a bit more sophisticated ......

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 07:28:09 (EST) From: Sir Dave Email: None To: All Subject: New knowledge technique Message:

See above link. Check out the other pages on the site. Yes, I know. I am quite mad. [ The reverse nectar technique ]

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 09:21:40 (EST) From: hamzen Email: None To: Sir Dave Subject: You think you're mad sir d Message:

but when I was consciously pulling away from you know who I perfected the reverse nectar technique because it was the only thing that stopped me from automatically and unconsciously doing nectar what seemed like 24/7. A couple of months and I actually got my tongue back. Admittedly it was to the bottom of my mouth not out. How mad is that that I needed to do it! See how well it worked at http://www.fatjam.f2s.com/romfordunderground, scroll to the far right picture

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:58:33 (EST) From: berni Email: None To: hamzen Subject: You must be mad :lol Message:

..if you think you want to go to one these dens of iniquity and end up looking like that! Even though it would be an improvement :/ But seriously though, I know just what you mean about the nectar technique. I'd almost forgotten how hard it was to get out of the habit. Dave - that's another site you should send to Graham Norton, really funny if I was rich and able to pursue creative ideas just for the sake of it then making sites like that and I liek Milk cheers berni

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 12:40:24 (EST) From: shocked Email: None To: hamzen Subject: I heard the new technique was Message:

an enema every day. Apparently they are all doing it now - all part of the purification process. True story - a premie mentioned it to me and then pretended it was a joke.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 13:06:01 (EST) From: Postie Email: None To: shocked Subject: Simple misunderstanding Message:

Maybe the The Speaker said 'Go out and get my enemies.' What they heard was 'Go out and get enemas.' It just never changes, first those confused Hindu Mahatmas, then the drug-crazed hippies and now health freaks doing sychronized enemas. Then again, not a water bottle bubbles.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 00:48:30 (EST) From: Jean-Michel Email: None To: Postie Subject: Read this !!! Read this !!!!! Message:

I'm laughing hystericaly ...... Thnks for the laugh ......

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 19:05:26 (EST) From: Vicki Email: None To: Postie Subject: Re: Simple misunderstanding Message:

Hysterically irreverent!!! Brought to mind the Eddy Murphy bathtub routine.....

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Date: Thurs, Nov 08, 2001 at 21:06:57 (EST) From: Julian Email: None To: All Subject: Gerry, what's this with Bjorn?? Message:

On LG you wrote (post now deleted) that Bjorn has tried to get some ex-premie into trouble by writing to their employer. Why not post this info here on F7? Who did Bjorn try to get into trouble? Was it Marianne? How can anyone follow a moron who gets his kicks from shooting rabbits?

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 01:50:14 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Julian Subject: Rabbits are Vermin Message:

In Australia rabbits are considered the worst introduced species of all European animals. They have so seriously degraded the Australian landscape that until the 80's Bounties were still paid on their pelts. It is every landed Australians civic and enviormental duty to shoot the bastards.We also shoot cats, pigs,goats ,donkeys camels, wild dogs etc ,etc. Amaroo is a recognised wild-life refuge and has won awards for the same. If M has been shooting rabbits, believe me , I'll buy him the bullets.God ,you are such a bunch of cheesy old hippies. I find a shotgun and spotlight work best. Any rascally rabbits around your neck's of the woods?

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 03:17:31 (EST) From: Nottingham Bunnie Email: None To: CW Subject: 'We also shoot cats, pigs,goats ,donkeys..' Message:

...........camels, wild dogs etc ,etc You keep some delightful company, don't you CW? Hope you stay in holy name as you enjoy your evolved pursuits.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 05:12:12 (EST) From: Croc Catweasel Email: None To: Nottingham Bunnie Subject: They shoot horses dont they? Message:

Sure do.Yep I'm a gun toting feral. When I stop of for my morning coffee and the scan of the local paper, it's 'what can I shoot today?' OK let's do pigs! I then hop in the fourwheel drive do about 500 clicks and start blazing . You know on a good day it get's close to Nirvana..then there's foxes!! Now foxes. There a whole different ball of wax. Say? You guys over in the old Dart. You love a bit of the ole Fox huntin dont cha?

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 11:14:36 (EST) From: Bullseye! Email: None To: Croc Catweasel Subject: Catweasels, too Message:

Long known as feral and now mostly rabid mongrel marsupial rodent indigenous to Australia's outback, the CACweasel can be readily identified by its tendency to continuously chase it's own tail and eat its own feces. Known to seek company and nourishment at the EPO site this poor creature insists on biting off it's own nose to spite it's face. Best to leave this lonesome amaroonian alone to mate with it's closest relative, the Tasmanian Devil.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 14:56:26 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Bullseye! Subject: Re: Catweasels, too Message:

Beware , it's bite is venomous and deadly

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 18:20:13 (EST) From: Sommelier and sommelier Email: None To: CW Subject: Eau de crapweasel Message:

Beware , it's bite is venomous and deadly .....with a bouquet of citrus and skunk

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:24:04 (EST) From: Hey Catweasel Email: None To: CW Subject: I bet you are jealous of Message:

Gary Gerrard who had the honour of having his nose broken by maharaji. Your Lord does love his sports doesn't he?

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 05:13:23 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Hey Catweasel Subject: Oh Really? Message:

Walked into a door I heard?

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 07:14:16 (EST) From: try asking those Email: None To: CW Subject: who were there Message:

also it was a very common satsang story told manty times. I also hear that your Lord likes running down little Indian people. Ask Milky Cole or Ron Jeeves or Paddarthanand(you know the re-resentative of Maharaji and EV who used his position to touch-up females). Oh yes wasn't Pady spirited away out of Oz.....

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Date: Thurs, Nov 08, 2001 at 22:00:46 (EST) From: Marianne Email: MarianneDB@aol.com To: Julian Subject: Bjorn's libelous emails about me Message:

Well folks, here's the story. This is what happens when the cult puts false and libelous information on the internet. (Libel is a legal term. It means that someone has falsely accused another, in print, of committing a crime). The CAC site, and most of its progeny, stated that I am an employee of the San Francisco Public Defender's Office. Most of these sites gave an email link to contact those who run that office, so that cult members, or whomever so desired, could contact the SF Public Defender and complain about me as much as their hearts desired. When the CAC site came up, I made posts saying that some of the information on the site was false and some of it was defamatory. Well, guess what? I AM NOT AN EMPLOYEE OF THE SAN FRANCISCO PUBLIC DEFENDER'S OFFICE AND NEVER HAVE BEEN! As a result, anyone who complained about me to the lawyers who run that office, and claimed that I had committed some illegal act, would be civilly liable for that email. I suspected that some cult member would be unable to restrain themselves, and I was right. Bjorn has now sent 3 emails to the San Francisco Public Defender's office complaining about me. In the first one, he accused me of cyberstalking him and of making posts during working hours while employed by the Public Defender. He threatened to sue the public defender's office because I was making posts during work hours. The Chief Assistant Public Defender wrote to Bjorn after the first email and told him I did not work there. Bjorn wrote back and complained some more, and asked him to disclose where I did work now. After Gerry posted on Life's Grate (misspelling intended) today criticizing Bjorn for what he'd done, Bjorn wrote the Public Defender's Office again to complain about me. CAC authors, Elan Vital, Bjorn, all of you -- you are civilly liable for these false criminal accusations of me which have now been spread in the San Francisco legal community. As I have said repeatedly, you will hear from my lawyers. Marianne

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:12:12 (EST) From: Tonette Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Sick and scary stuff Marianne Message:

Hey, call me paranoid, but some of these trolls here don't seem like they are quite right, in their mind that is. Why would someone go to all the trouble to hunt you down and send multiple e-mails. Have you ever met this guy? How far do you think this person will go? Have other people mentioned on the CAC type sites received this type of harrassement? Anyone? I don't like what has happened to you and others vis a vis the CAC sites. Not at all. It also worries me. I know that Jim's address is archived somewhere. I wonder who else has their address and such out there for the world to see. The CAC founders impress me as dire people. And desperate to hang onto their cult and Maharaji. Fanactical and without ethics. They crossed a line. It's VERY worrisome to me. So much so that I'm thinking of changing my posting to an anonymous name. Do you need anything Marianne? Please take care! And be careful. I've never met you but I am worried. Fondly, Tonette

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:28:45 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Tonette Subject: Re: Sick and scary stuff Marianne Message:

Yes, the Cacweasels tried to damage my business because the phone number and address and website were published by CAC. They succeeded for a while until we figured out a solution. Another very nasty incident took place which I can't talk about right now because it is being investigated and because it involves another ex as well but we'll publish the details when it's been resolved. Some fanatical premies are dangerous and bordering on sociopathy.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 17:00:06 (EST) From: Barbara Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Forget sociopathy. Try Criminal. Message:

Because we don't speak about it much on the forum doesn't mean we're inactive in defending ourselves. The premies who are behind these cyberstalking sites forget that regulatory agencies exist to whom we also could report them for their reprehensible and stunningly hypocritical (let me count the ways) cyber-terrorism. It's not a one way street.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 17:07:56 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Barbara Subject: Yes, Barbara. Also, Marianne and Joe... Message:

Chuck and I are taking steps to defend ourselves in case it gets worse. The first step is to get a case number from the local cops which is then used by other law enforcement agencies. Perhaps we need a mini-Lativan night soon for those of us who have been harassed and intimidated by the cult. I loved your ''I'm Spartacus. No, I'm Spartacus'' analogy, Barbara. There is safety in numbers. Chuck and I are available any Mon or Tue night and on a Fri or Sat the week after Thanksgiving.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 07:01:37 (EST) From: Abi Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Re: Bjorn's libelous emails about me Message:

Hi Marianne, that is just ghastly. I hope that you manage to take some sort of legal action against him. And that one day soon someone in EV is actually made accountable for the way they treat people. All of B's nauseating false piety hides a very nasty person who has directed his anger into a dangerous fundamentalism. Sorry to hear that your life has been been effected as a consequence of your participation here. And we both know why they picked on you. So take no prisoners. Abi

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 11:51:16 (EST) From: Marianne Email: None To: Abi Subject: Thanks Abi Message:

Yes, we know why Bjorn did it. The emails he sent are filled with his obsession with you and Jagdeo. It is vile and disgusting. Thanks so much for your support. Much love, Marianne

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 12:01:40 (EST) From: Cynthia Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Marianne... Message:

Hi Marianne, I just emailed you. I want you to know that I am outraged at what you are being put through by EV/M and the CAC sites. All I can say is they really don't know you at all... I fully support you, Love, Cynthia

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 12:18:31 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Cynthia Subject: Re: Marianne... Message:

Marianne, Does this fool realize that raping children and supporting his Cult leader is not normal in the 'real' world. Bjorn, and the crazy people just like him, are in for some hell of a reality ride. Hope you can keep your wits about you. I will help you any way I can. Have a SF Latvian soon. It will do you all good. I wish I wasn't so far away. But another time. I'll be visiting SF area in the late spring. I used to live in the city as well as Marin and Sonoma counties. I'll stay in touch via email.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 02:58:32 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Marianne Subject: If you need anything, just ask, Marianne Message:

I hope you set up a legal fund or allow some else to do so. I'm in. I would like to see Rev Rawat named as a co-defendant for condoning the CAC websites even if by omission in that he did not condemn the first attack and thus allowed the second to occur. At the very least his name should be dragged through the mud that he has inspired. The first CAC terrorist attack frightened me and damaged my business for a while but the second attack left me cold because I knew that Rev Rawat had finally made his major recent mistake. By not officially condemning the first attack he has condoned the second. It's over for him in the west. I'm sorry that you have to be the martyr to the cause and will try to ease your ordeal. But they could not have chosen a better and more newsworthy martyr. I can see the headlines now: CULT LEADER CALLED AS WITNESS BEFORE GRAND JURY ""Prempal Singh Rawat was today called to testify before the San Francisco grand jury in a case involving his cult's use of internet intimidation tactics against a lawyer who once worked on a case related to Jim Jones' Peoples' Temple tragedy."" And I'm serious. This could result in publicity.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 05:15:45 (EST) From: Catweasel Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Attention! Calling all Drama Queen's!! Message:

You are one big tragedy Pat

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 07:03:18 (EST) From: Abi Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Re: Attention! Calling all Drama Queen's!! Message:

Pat has style, you just have a few second-hand clothes your Ratwat flung your way.

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 16:24:22 (EST) From: Pat:C) Email: None To: Abi Subject: Thanks, Abi, for your chivalry... Message:

...in coming to an old drama queen's defense. ;) But don't you sometimes feel sorry for this poor pathetic little cultweasel. He spends 24 hours a day being a martyr to the cause on the forum and doing service for his massa who will dump him like a dead rabbit when it suits him?

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 19:10:30 (EST) From: Catweasel Email: None To: Pat:C) Subject: Re: Thanks, Abi, for your chivalry... Message:

No Pat. Remember Rumi? and the berries?There is no organisation. There are no honcho's. There is my life. There is K and there is my beloved master.Nothing else. Try to be less vindictive Pat. It throws a cloud over your being.

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:33:48 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: and furthermore Message:

Actually it was Mira

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Date: Sat, Nov 10, 2001 at 04:21:21 (EST) From: Cult Spotter Email: None To: Catweasel Subject: Spiritual advice, from a creepy ghost. (NT) Message:

[nt]

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Date: Fri, Nov 09, 2001 at 15:00:39 (EST) From: CW Email: None To: Abi Subject: Re: Attention! Calling all Drama Queen's!! Message:

Oh yeah, he sure has style.Like Gollum

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Date: Thurs, Nov 08, 2001 at 22:23:03 (EST) From: Deborah Email: None To: Marianne Subject: Fuckin Bjorn...I knew he was a cacweasel Message:

Marianne, I have some quotes from other posters I want to discuss with you. Please everyone, STOP TALKING TO THESE CACWEASEL VILLAINS. They are NOT nice people. They have ONE, and ONLY one agenda. Marianne, please check email in a few minutes.

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