STATEMENT BY VICTIMS -:- ATTACKED BY THE MAHARAJI CULT -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 18:01:44 (EDT)

__ Jean-Michel -:- What's going to be their next step? -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 09:04:02 (EDT)

__ __ One of the Victims -:- Next Step -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:52:19 (EDT)

__ __ __ michael donner -:- Re: Next Step -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 12:14:38 (EDT)

__ __ TEETH -:- I'm saying for long -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 09:29:52 (EDT)

__ __ __ Deborah -:- Agreed -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 15:19:43 (EDT)

__ janet -:- Re:how bout media dissemination?? -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 04:38:56 (EDT)

__ __ Pat:C) -:- We can't afford a billboard, Janet. -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 05:08:56 (EDT)

__ __ __ janet -:- maybe we can get a sponsor -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 05:21:04 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Silvia -:- Re: maybe we can get a sponsor -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 09:31:39 (EDT)

__ Susan -:- excellent letter all of you (nt) -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 23:28:24 (EDT)

__ __ ggg -:- Power to the people! nt -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 03:54:28 (EDT)

__ Cedron -:- The king -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 22:08:07 (EDT)

__ da lil' swami suchabanana -:- Power to da peoples,right on! -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 20:21:14 (EDT)

__ bill-wonder how they will respond -:- to 'phase one' -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 20:10:26 (EDT)

__ Pat:C) -:- Thanks, Joe -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 19:29:22 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Stoops the Janitor -:- Re: FA some help please -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 23:14:00 (EDT)

__ Deborah -:- What about press release Aug 27th -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 18:55:48 (EDT)

__ __ One of the victims -:- It's August 23 Press Release -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 19:12:33 (EDT)

__ Nigel -:- In an eggshell. Superb. -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 18:30:45 (EDT)

__ JHB -:- Re: ATTACKED BY THE MAHARAJI CULT -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 18:17:06 (EDT)

__ __ Cynthia -:- Superb! -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 12:12:11 (EDT)

__ __ such -:- hey, da famous 12 apostates! -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 20:23:44 (EDT)

__ __ __ Teeth -:- Re: hey, da famous 12 apostates! -:- Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 19:27:29 (EDT)

__ Francesca -:- BRAVO!!! and ***BEST OF FORUM*** [nt] -:- Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 18:15:40 (EDT)

Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 18:01:44 (EDT)
From: STATEMENT BY VICTIMS
Email: None
To: All
Subject: ATTACKED BY THE MAHARAJI CULT
Message:

STATEMENT BY VICTIMS ATTACKED BY THE MAHARAJI CULT

August 30, 2001

The undersigned were recently attacked by unnamed premies (devotees of Maharaji), by means of an Internet website called “Citizens Against Cyberstalking” (www.stopcyberstalkers.org) which, at first glance, appeared to be a public service to the victims of harassment. These premies targeted the twelve of us, who are all former followers of Maharaji (“ex-premies”), by labeling us criminal “cyberstalkers,” and by listing our names with eight other alleged “cyberstalkers” who included child molesters and kidnappers.

The website was an incitement to anyone viewing the site to contact our employers, families, professional associations, licensing bureaus, and other entities to inform them that we had engaged in criminal activity. The website provided corresponding addresses, telephone numbers and email links for them to easily do so. The website also included our pictures, disclosed addresses of our homes and businesses, telephone numbers and email addresses. In one extreme attempt at intimidation, the authors of the website even went so far as to provide the picture of the young child of one of the ex-premies, and listed the address of where the child lived. It also included false, out-of-context, and misleading information about all of us, including twisted and fabricated quotes these premies used as “proof” of their allegations of our mental illness or criminal activity.

The obvious goal of these premies was to blackmail and intimidate us so that we would refrain from posting about Maharaji and his cult on the Internet. The perpetrators specifically offered to refrain from further blackmail if the victim did so. Sadly, one of our numbers, so frightened about the safety of his daughter whose picture and address were displayed, capitulated publicly to the blackmail and his name was then removed from the “cyberstalker” list.

We believe we were singled out for attack from among the hundreds of ex-premies who have posted on the Internet because we are perceived to have been effective in helping premies who no longer want to be a part of the Maharaji cult, who were staying out of fear or other reasons, to leave the cult by supplying information that has been kept secret by the cult for many years, and by generally offering them support. Some of us were targeted because of what would appear to be our particular vulnerability to blackmail. Three out of the twelve appear to have been chosen because they are gay, one appears to have been chosen because his child was vulnerable to attack, and most of us were chosen partly because we have posted under our own names on the Internet, and hence were easily identifiable.

The website authors claimed that as premies they, themselves, have been the victims of defamation, harassment and other illegal activities at the hands of ex-premies, but no proof whatsoever was provided. Much less, no proof was provided that any of us, the actual victims of the website, had engaged in any such activities, and we categorically deny that we have done so.

Although the perpetrators claim to consist of four individuals, we have reason to believe that Elan Vital, the front organization for Maharaji, and Maharaji himself, may have instigated, contributed to, or condoned this attack. We have been informed by reliable sources that Elan Vital has been “monitoring,” collecting data on, and even doing external investigations of, ex-premies who have posted on the Internet about Maharaji. We have also been informed that Elan Vital has assigned monitors to review our postings to compile extensive files on all of us, and we feel there is good reason to believe, based on the nature of the attack and who was chosen for the attack, that that information compiled by Elan Vital was used to prepare the website, and to defame and attempt to intimidate us. Whether the Elan Vital hierarchy officially condoned the use of this information is difficult to know.

Under the circumstances, we find Elan Vital’s press release of August 23, 2001, both utterly inadequate and insulting, because it does not specifically condemn this attack, and it blames the victims for causing it. We are concerned because the press release is yet another “dig” at ex-premies, and might encourage the more fanatical of Elan Vital’s members to do something similar. We also suspect that Prem Pal Singh Rawat (aka Maharaji) may have been personally involved, at least to the extent of tacit approval, since to date we are aware of no public statement by him disavowing the website and its perpetrators.

After threats of legal action were made publicly by several of us, the website was modified on August 28, 2001 and replaced with a statement that the premies behind the site would be contributing their “database of resources” to two unnamed organizations. This statement, which implies further dissemination of the defamatory material, as well as the possibility that it or a similar website could appear at any time, makes it even more alarming that we have yet to see any statement whatsoever from Mr. Rawat about this, nor have we seen any evidence of attempts by him to attempt to stop his more fanatic devotees from doing anything similar in the future. Since the perpetrators claim personal allegiance to Mr. Rawat and his teachings, we feel Mr. Rawat has a moral and ethical obligation to make such a public statement.

This event is an ominous sign. Until recently, most of us believed that the more fanatical elements had died out years ago after the Mahatma Fakiranand incident in the 1970s. But these events, as well as earlier attempts by Mr. Rawat’s lawyers to shut down the websites through which ex-premies share information, lead us to believe that the Maharaji cult may be headed in the same direction as other destructive cults, such as Scientology, which attack former members who disclose critical information and opinions. Since we the undersigned stand behind our statements and opinions, and do so by not being anonymous, and because we intend to continue speaking about the subjects of Mr. Rawat and our former cult, we are understandably concerned about our safety.

We can understand why the cult is concerned about us, to the extent of wanting us to be intimidated off the Internet. In addition to providing a support for premies leaving the cult, ex-premies have been extremely effective in publicizing the fact that Maharaji is not at all the person he has tried to project, and in fact he has serious personal flaws that he has attempted over the years, with great effort, to keep secret.

We have also pointed out that Maharaji's priorities do not appear to be what he professes. During the same time he has amassed immense wealth for himself personally, he has failed utterly in 'spreading knowledge' and has thousands fewer followers today in the West than he had 20 years ago. He rarely does 'introductory programs,' rarely advertises his existence or that of 'knowledge,' and has shown little interest in doing anything other than retaining his core audience, his dwindling group of devotees from the 70s, and engaging in technological gimmicks, pretending that these are finally going to spread the word, after 30 years of failed attempts.

If anyone needs any proof of the fact that Maharaji has reverted to his “Lord of the Universe” roots to retain these devotees, they need only note that as recently as a few months ago, in a high-security enclave in Australia, Maharaji had these devotees sing ARTI to him, a lengthy Hindu song premies sang to him in the 70s, which clearly describes Maharaji as a deity, and more extreme yet, Maharaji had those same devotees line up by the hundreds to kiss his feet. Neither Maharaji, nor Elan Vital, are about to tell any potential aspirant that such events occur in the year 2001, as Elan Vital deceptively presents Maharaji to the unsuspecting world as northing more than a entirely secular, modern, meditation master. But if these people happen to turn to the Internet, they just might learn the whole truth, and armed with more complete information, make up their own minds about who Maharaji is and what he offers. For these reasons, we will not be intimidated from providing a public service by speaking out freely about Maharaji.

Joseph Whalen
Anthony Ginn
Marianne Bachers
Jeffrey Leason
William Williams
Salam Al-Ahmar
Michael Dettmers
Patrick Conlon
Jim Heller
Jean-Michel Kahn
Gerry Lyng

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 09:04:02 (EDT)
From: Jean-Michel
Email: None
To: STATEMENT BY VICTIMS
Subject: What's going to be their next step?
Message:

I feel a bit concerned about this.

What do you think ? Physical action, like scientologists do ?

Issue a new press release, saying we're defaming EV and M ?

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 11:52:19 (EDT)
From: One of the Victims
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: Next Step
Message:

For victims of these kinds of attacks, the best way to protect yourself is to PUBLICIZE your concerns. Bullies like the premies who did CAC thrive on anonymity and picking on people who appear vulnerable and to do it in secret as much as possible. It's important for all the victims to stick together, for the other ex-premies to support them, and to get as much publicity about all this as possible.

Publicity would also help get the premies who aren't fanatics, which is most of them, and Maharaji and EV to try to get to whoever those jerks are, and tell them to cut it out. This is only going to happen if other premies are embarrassed and outraged that these premies did this, and there is good information that many of them are.

Elan Vital and Maharaji also have to realize what a PR disaster this has been for them, and, in their own interests, prevent it from occurring again.

But as has been said many times, only, ONLY, Maharaji himself can really prevent this, by making a very strong public statement that he doesn't want this kind of thing happening, and to SPECIFICALLLY condem the CAC site. Every one of us, and every premie, should be asking the question why Maharaji hasn't done it already, and when he WILL do it?

In the meantime, I think all of us should distribute the statement of the victims far and wide, to premies, to ex-premies, and to anyone else who should know. I think this is the only way we can bring pressure on Maharaji to do the right thing.

BTW, if anyone wants a hard copy of the statement via email in Word, please email the FA. Thanks.

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 12:14:38 (EDT)
From: michael donner
Email: None
To: One of the Victims
Subject: Re: Next Step
Message:

hi one step that i hope the 12 (and anyone) will take is to track down the supposed group that cac is 'merging' with ...contact them to let them know what kind of idiots that they are.

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 09:29:52 (EDT)
From: TEETH
Email: None
To: Jean-Michel
Subject: I'm saying for long
Message:

an attack from our part is needed, media, that is.

It may be difficult to put together and to get a general agreement but in my opinion needs to be done. Why wait to see what they are/will do?

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 15:19:43 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: stars@uvic.ca
To: TEETH
Subject: Agreed
Message:

Contact me via email to talk.

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 04:38:56 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: STATEMENT BY VICTIMS
Subject: Re:how bout media dissemination??
Message:

newpapers, radio spots, tv news, a billboard on PCH with a big arrow up trancas canyon road?....

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 05:08:56 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: We can't afford a billboard, Janet.
Message:

How about if you parade around the Trancas Canyon supermarket wearing a sandwich board which says ''The End is Nigh for Gurujism'' on one side and ''Prepare to Meet Thy Doom Maharajism'' on the other?

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 05:21:04 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: maybe we can get a sponsor
Message:

wellllllll, pat...
How about if you parade around the Trancas Canyon supermarket wearing a sandwich board which says ''The End is Nigh for Gurujism'' on one side and ''Prepare to Meet Thy Doom Maharajism'' on the other?

not my style, but not all ads are as expensive as billboards.
lets nt drop the concept so soon. what CAN we afford?

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 09:31:39 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Re: maybe we can get a sponsor
Message:

We 'should' do something. Read TEETH's (me) post to JM.

I'm in a hurry. Working and reading a bit.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 23:28:24 (EDT)
From: Susan
Email: None
To: STATEMENT BY VICTIMS
Subject: excellent letter all of you (nt)
Message:

nt

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 03:54:28 (EDT)
From: ggg
Email: None
To: Susan
Subject: Power to the people! nt
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 22:08:07 (EDT)
From: Cedron
Email: None
To: STATEMENT BY VICTIMS
Subject: The king
Message:

The king who wars against his people shall never see an end to it.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 20:21:14 (EDT)
From: da lil' swami suchabanana
Email: None
To: STATEMENT BY VICTIMS
Subject: Power to da peoples,right on!
Message:

da truth shall set you FREE!!!

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 20:10:26 (EDT)
From: bill-wonder how they will respond
Email: None
To: STATEMENT BY VICTIMS
Subject: to 'phase one'
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 19:29:22 (EDT)
From: Pat:C)
Email: None
To: STATEMENT BY VICTIMS
Subject: Thanks, Joe
Message:

I am emailing the statement to the premies on my mailing list now.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 23:14:00 (EDT)
From: Stoops the Janitor
Email: None
To: Pat:C)
Subject: Re: FA some help please
Message:

I don't know what you want me to do, boss. Can I he'p ya?

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 18:55:48 (EDT)
From: Deborah
Email: None
To: STATEMENT BY VICTIMS
Subject: What about press release Aug 27th
Message:

Someone tell me where I can find this press release. I've been off forum for a couple of days. Miss anything much.

Anyone sith news regarding the CAC investigation is welcome to update me. Perhaps we can figure out a way to share that information.

Please take note if you are reading this post, that not only do I take a stand behind the undersigned of the post myself but I am making an effort to bring the perpetrators to authorities. And I have no regard for anyone's poor cult mind. What you did and are continuing to do is monstrous. It won't shut me up but make me scream louder.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 19:12:33 (EDT)
From: One of the victims
Email: None
To: Deborah
Subject: It's August 23 Press Release
Message:

Go to the EV website: www.elanvital.org

Click on 'Press Kit' You will find two of the most transparently self-serving press releases in the history of mankind, including the one mentioned.

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 18:30:45 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: STATEMENT BY VICTIMS
Subject: In an eggshell. Superb.
Message:

Trying to work out who the main hand behind this was. Actually, quite easy...

Prost!

Nigel Longhurst (who would have added his name but wasn't attacked so isn't qualified)

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 18:17:06 (EDT)
From: JHB
Email: None
To: STATEMENT BY VICTIMS
Subject: Re: ATTACKED BY THE MAHARAJI CULT
Message:

Although I was not directly attacked by the www.stopcyberstalkers.org site, I would like to publicly state that I stand with the twelve signatories of this letter. For anyone who thinks there is any possibility that we are cyberstalkers, this would be a first - an international conspiracy of cyberstalkers. Don't stalkers usually work alone?

The longer Maharaji maintains his public silence on this site, which was started by avowed supporters of Maharaji, the more it appears that he is implicated in either initiating the site, or at the very least, supporting it.

John Brauns

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 12:12:11 (EDT)
From: Cynthia
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: Superb!
Message:

To Maharaj, EV, and CACA:

I was not directly attacked by the www.stopcyberstalkers.org, but I also add my name to the list of those who fully support the victims of said website.

Elan Vital's August 23rd ''Press Release,'' is hypocritical in its content and implications, serving only to protect EV's leader, Guru Maharaj Ji. Moreover, while EV attempts to evoke sympathy by publishing this ''Press Release,'' Maharaji, as the leader of this organization must be held responsible for the public attack on the signers of the above statement, who are private people.

While Maharaji a/k/a Prempal Rawat disavows any connection to this horrendous website and the injuries inflicted on the people exposed, as leader of this organization Mr. Rawat owes, at the least, a personal explanation and apology to the these individuals.

Based on Mr. Rawat's history of remaining silent during any controversies concerning his personal behavior and behavior as the cult leader it is doubtful he will make such a gesture. Mr. Rawat's tendency to hide behind his religious organization, first, Divine Light Mission and now Elan Vital, are proof that he has no concern whatsoever for anyone but himself.

As a former member of the Maharajism cult, I fully support the EPO website, the associated forums, including this Forum, and those individuals here who have a right to tell the truth about the cult.

It's time for you, Maharaji, to take public responsibility for the insidious actions of the members of your religious organization immediately.

I will not shut up. I will not stop speaking out about your cult.

Cynthia J. Gracie

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 20:23:44 (EDT)
From: such
Email: None
To: JHB
Subject: hey, da famous 12 apostates!
Message:

er, i.e. apostles.

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Date: Fri, Aug 31, 2001 at 19:27:29 (EDT)
From: Teeth
Email: None
To: such
Subject: Re: hey, da famous 12 apostates!
Message:

u #13 hahahhahahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

sil

Tofu and avocados. :)

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Date: Thurs, Aug 30, 2001 at 18:15:40 (EDT)
From: Francesca
Email: None
To: STATEMENT BY VICTIMS
Subject: BRAVO!!! and ***BEST OF FORUM*** [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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