Joe -:- Say Something Positive About Maharaji Contest -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 17:58:04 (EDT)

__ Silvia -:- he never asked me for sex -:- Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 19:29:02 (EDT)

__ __ Does that mean -:- that he -:- Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 19:31:11 (EDT)

__ David Smith -:- He used to humliate me... -:- Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 18:04:19 (EDT)

__ __ Bob -:- Re: He used to humliate me... -:- Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 20:19:24 (EDT)

__ __ __ bill -:- Thanks for your best of forum post Bob [nt] -:- Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 22:35:03 (EDT)

__ __ __ Dermot -:- PS Bob ..cut & paste your post on LG? :)nt -:- Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 21:29:51 (EDT)

__ __ __ Bob -:- Re: He used to humliate me... -:- Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 21:17:42 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Dermot -:- Above post Dermot, not Bob..duhh NT -:- Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 21:20:55 (EDT)

__ __ __ Bin Liner -:- Hi Bob, keep posting , every remeniscence helps [nt] -:- Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 20:34:03 (EDT)

__ janet -:- Re: Say Something Positive About Maharaji Contest -:- Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 08:24:52 (EDT)

__ __ michael donner -:- Re: Say Something Positive About Maharaji Contest -:- Thurs, Aug 02, 2001 at 11:38:47 (EDT)

__ Two Feet -:- In Praise of Maharaji -:- Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 06:34:06 (EDT)

__ Jethro -:- Maharaji once almost -:- Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 03:25:26 (EDT)

__ Prostrate Gland -:- His feet never smelled like tunafish in darshan -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 21:28:54 (EDT)

__ __ Vehicular Manslaughter -:- And, he has the best sawed in half car in Malibu -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 21:33:37 (EDT)

__ __ __ Humble Pie -:- No one can accuse him of false modesty (nt) -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 21:47:08 (EDT)

__ __ __ __ Elizabeth Clear Profit -:- Best New Age Revisionist (nt) -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 21:59:23 (EDT)

__ suchabanana -:- that's So special! [nt] -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 21:14:01 (EDT)

__ Timmi -:- Re: Say Something Positive About Maharaji Contest -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 20:47:58 (EDT)

__ Ian Dury -:- He doesn't sweat much for a fat guy (nt) -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 19:49:13 (EDT)

__ Richard -:- Now Holi was totally cool -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 19:43:18 (EDT)

__ __ Disculta -:- Have you heard of 'Paint-ball?' -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 21:21:20 (EDT)

__ __ __ Richard -:- Re: Have you heard of 'Paint-ball?' -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 22:31:18 (EDT)

__ Dermot -:- 'YES maharaji YES ' ,,,howzat? nt -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 19:35:46 (EDT)

__ hamzen -:- Couple of things you missed Joe -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 19:06:47 (EDT)

__ Jim -:- No. 4's a little off -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 18:21:19 (EDT)

__ __ Joe -:- Yeah, but he was underage at the time -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 18:28:02 (EDT)

__ __ __ janet -:- well if karma is tit for tat -:- Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 08:35:49 (EDT)

__ Dermot -:- Lol nt -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 18:16:32 (EDT)

__ Nigel -:- He never asked me to sleep with him..(nt) -:- Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 18:12:51 (EDT)

Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 17:58:04 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: All
Subject: Say Something Positive About Maharaji Contest
Message:

David Andersen got on my case because, apparently, from his point of view, everytime I say something about Maharaji it's negative. I know NEGATIVITY is a major sin in cult-world, and what is NEGATIVE is a pretty subjective thing, so I thought I might offer a contest to ex-premies to see what we can say positive about Maharaji. Here are some things I thought of:

1. David Andersen says Maharaji is nice to him and kind of fun when they are doing projects together. I take David at his word that this is the case;
2. I have heard he is nice to his kids, and gives them nice things like I heard Premlata has her own Mercedes, and he bought Hansi a really nice pickup truck;
3. David's sister, Erica, said Maharaji was pretty nice to her that time she met with him in 1982, and although she was really scared, Maharaji did not read her the riot act for thinking about moving out of the ashram and getting married. That was pretty nice, especially when you consider the fire and brimstone he laid on the rest of us about those very subjects. Remember when he said leaving the ashram and getting married was equivalent to blowing your brains out with dynamite? But he didn't say that to Erica, even though he could have.
4. I have not heard of Maharaji committing any crimes excempt using illegal drugs, and leaving the scene of a fatal accident. Unfortunately, there is no law against falsely claiming to be God, accepting money under those false pretenses, or having sex with the very people who think you are God. Probably no laws broken there.
5. He always wore really nice suits and ties;
6. When he was in Chicago one time he sent over his left-over pizza (Chicago deep dish no less) to the Chicago ashram and we all got a bite or two.
7. Although he had advantages no one else has, including unlimited time, unlimited funds, and a full-time aviation instructor at his disposal, he really did learn to fly planes.
8. He made it through, or almost through the ninth grade;
9. He actually went to marriage counseling with his wife, even though the counselor was did not have adequate experience in working with a Perfect Master; and
10. I heard that during the Bosnian war, that he offered Bosnian premies the right to camp out in Amaroo, provided they were premies, and provided they could get from Bosnia to Australia. I mean, he didn't have to do it, you know.

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Date: Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 19:29:02 (EDT)
From: Silvia
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: he never asked me for sex
Message:

only for money, thanks god. Can u imagine? passive blab

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Date: Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 19:31:11 (EDT)
From: Does that mean
Email: None
To: Silvia
Subject: that he
Message:

asked you for sex without paying money?

National Enquirer Reader

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Date: Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 18:04:19 (EDT)
From: David Smith
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: He used to humliate me...
Message:

And I LOVED it. Then, I used to humiliate the premies in turn. I LOVED that too.

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Date: Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 20:19:24 (EDT)
From: Bob
Email: None
To: David Smith
Subject: Re: He used to humliate me...
Message:

And I LOVED it. Then, I used to humiliate the premies in turn. I LOVED that too.


---

David, Are you an ex-premie now? I only recently found this website and have read only a smattering of postings so far, but I do remember seeing several (I don't recall their dates) which implied that you were still a coordinator somewhere and givin' 'em hell on the lord's behalf. I was in the Chicago Ashram when you came there after 'Millenium' in 1973. Whether you are an ex now or not, I sincerely hope you no longer traffic in humiliation for the LOVE of it! One of the reasons I left M in 1986 was due to my recognizing how he used to put people around him down constantly, in subtle and not-so-subtle ways. I used to go to the Residence every day for several years, and was around him fairly often. I don't ever ONCE remember him complimenting or praising anyone. One time there was a problem with his Mercedes that even Beverly Hills Mercedes couldn't fix. They hadn't a clue as to what was wrong even. So M was stuck. I had an idea what the problem was, but I knew it would be difficult and time consuming to fix. But I loved the guy and wanted his car to work, and he said to go ahead and try. I ended up pulling the entire dashboard out of his $80,000 Mercedes, fixed the problem the experts couldn't fix, and put it all back together again perfectly. This took days, and my body was sore from lying on his floorboards the whole time. Do you think he was grateful? Do you think he'd say 'gee,thanks, I can drive my favorite car now'? No way. All he did was mention the 'mess' I'd made while the work was in progress.(the car and garage were IMMACULATE when the job was FINISHED, however.) The tone of his half-humorous put-down was hurtful to me only because, I then realized, that I felt he was spiritually superior to me. Then I recalled that he almost ALWAYS put me and everybody else down after they would make heroic efforts on his behalf. I began to see that this was his way of keeping his devotees in their place....always doubting themselves and therefore needing him in their lives. When I saw through this ploy of his, I began to lose my respect for him. The final straw came when I was invited to his new year's party at the residence a few months later. There in his living room, in the presence of about 35 people, he got so drunk that he could barely stand. He would make incoherent statements and slur his words in the process. It seems everyone but me got a great kick out of this! But I was frankly disgusted. This guy wasn't fit to lead his own life, let alone the lives of countless sincere people around the world. That's when I quit for good. I continued to do 'service' at 'the residence', but only if they paid me $25 an hour.....Which they did for over a year, till they could find someone knowledgable enough to handle what I used to do (which wasn't automobiles, by the way).
Since leaving him my life is much more fun, free, and spiritual, as WELL as more worldly. I've come to see that there are no mistakes in the universe, and that the time I spent following this guru was NOT wasted, nor is he a 'badguy'. We all do the best we can and we all (including M) learn at our own pace. I do not envy M his opulent lifestyle, because I feel it is a SUBSTITUTE for real happiness. I sense that M is in pain, and has low self-esteem. A person who is experiencing the spiritual bliss of being alive to the moment has zero interest in putting another person down, don't you think, David?
And to want to HUMILIATE another? I can only say that, for myself, I'd have to be living in my own private self-created HELL to want to do something like that now. So, in many ways, I have compassion for M and what he must be going through, opulent lifestyle notwithstanding. He seems to have inherited the role of Perfect Charlatan from his dad and is lost in an delusional world precipitated by this form of child abuse he suffered early on. And my worldview, when I came to him in 1972, had me looking (unconsciously) for a loving father-figure, to heal my very deep father-wound. Together M and I made a perfect match to fulfill one another's fantasies. I needed a leader and he needed to be one......and in both of us, our needs were rooted in self-doubt and low self-esteem. My lesson in all this is to take responsibility for my life and what I experience in it. This makes me no longer a victim in any circumstance(since I'M the one who defines what meaning that circumstance has for me), and to not blame others, because doing so defines me as a powerless victim (which was why I came to M in the first place). So that was a great lesson to learn and it only took 14 years....some people may never learn it in a lifetime!

THIS IS A GREAT WEBSITE, ISN'T IT?
Love, Bob

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Date: Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 22:35:03 (EDT)
From: bill
Email: None
To: Bob
Subject: Thanks for your best of forum post Bob [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 21:29:51 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Bob
Subject: PS Bob ..cut & paste your post on LG? :)nt
Message:

zz

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Date: Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 21:17:42 (EDT)
From: Bob
Email: None
To: Bob
Subject: Re: He used to humliate me...
Message:

Hey Bob - Your story is really interesting and revealing , mate !

Think the 'David Smith' poster was a parody though...

Cheers

Dermot

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Date: Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 21:20:55 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Bob
Subject: Above post Dermot, not Bob..duhh NT
Message:

z

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Date: Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 20:34:03 (EDT)
From: Bin Liner
Email: None
To: Bob
Subject: Hi Bob, keep posting , every remeniscence helps [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 08:24:52 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Say Something Positive About Maharaji Contest
Message:

ok-- I'll bite:

maharaji personally walked me all the way from the deboarding tunnel of the airplane, thru customs, baggage claim and straight to the buses, the first time i met him and went to england for guru puja at ally pally and cuffley campsite. he could have refused. he could have told me to leave him alone. he could have told his henchmen to 'escort me' away from him, but he didn;t. he made eye contact, indicated for me to walk right with him, with no one in between us, and made sure that i didn't get lost or confused or left behind.
that was a fortunate thing. looking back I could have easily gotten lost in england, right as soon as i got out of the plane. i was the last one to get off, and had zero idea what to do.

ok. is that enough?

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Date: Thurs, Aug 02, 2001 at 11:38:47 (EDT)
From: michael donner
Email: None
To: janet
Subject: Re: Say Something Positive About Maharaji Contest
Message:

maharaji was there for me when i was looking for a guru to devote myself to. when i was in that stage of my life when i was still carrying lots of devotee energy and looking for some place to put it. he was there for me when i needed that other half of the co-dependent story of guru devotee. he was there for me when i needed someone to give my power away to, to praise and glorify when i was still afraid to give myself the credit i deserved for my own happiness and accomplishments. he was there for me in my idealism for 'world peace' by offering some vague plan to bring that about that i could join in with and thus continue to play out my misguided idealism of one world leader bringing us all to the golden land like some pied piper. i called out to someone like that to fill the void in my life and he filled the role perfectly for that time.

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Date: Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 06:34:06 (EDT)
From: Two Feet
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: In Praise of Maharaji
Message:

He always knows where to 'draw the line' ... for his premies.

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Date: Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 03:25:26 (EDT)
From: Jethro
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Maharaji once almost
Message:

gave this child(In Malaysia), who was clearly poverty stricken and playing with a hoop in the road, some money...BUT maharaji, in his great compassion, didn't want to ruin the blissful experience the child was having playing with the hoop and resisted the temptation to give the child some money. So the Lord of all left the child in his blissful poverty.
By this act Maharaji proved to us all that materialism isn't everything.

Of course there was also that newspaper vendour who Maharaji almost bought all the papers from. But Maharaji, in his infinite compassion, decided not to give him any money as he(the vendour) would have expectations that the same would happen in the future.So the Lord of all left the child in his blissful poverty.

Also isn't Maharaji fantastic in creating his own revisionist history. This is all to teach us that all is illusion(except fot Him).

Yes, Maharaji really really put Himself out for us His creatures.

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 21:28:54 (EDT)
From: Prostrate Gland
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: His feet never smelled like tunafish in darshan
Message:

shnorfle

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 21:33:37 (EDT)
From: Vehicular Manslaughter
Email: None
To: Prostrate Gland
Subject: And, he has the best sawed in half car in Malibu
Message:

shnarfle

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 21:47:08 (EDT)
From: Humble Pie
Email: None
To: Vehicular Manslaughter
Subject: No one can accuse him of false modesty (nt)
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 21:59:23 (EDT)
From: Elizabeth Clear Profit
Email: None
To: Humble Pie
Subject: Best New Age Revisionist (nt)
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 21:14:01 (EDT)
From: suchabanana
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: that's So special! [nt]
Message:

[nt]

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 20:47:58 (EDT)
From: Timmi
Email: timmi56@yahoo.com
To: Joe
Subject: Re: Say Something Positive About Maharaji Contest
Message:

My fingers won't let me even try tp type anything like that. And if I tried to say something positive, my tongue would jump out. Fortunately, it's not stuck up my nose from the inside.

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 19:49:13 (EDT)
From: Ian Dury
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: He doesn't sweat much for a fat guy (nt)
Message:

xxx

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 19:43:18 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Now Holi was totally cool
Message:

By his hydrotherapeutic grace we had the world's most outrageous wet T-shirt fiesta - now that was freakin' wild. I still recall the looks on the old geezers faces when we all trudged back to the hotels looking like spin-art from the carnival.

BTW: I showed some unPWKs a bootleg Holi video from the Miami Orange Bowl and they were ready to sign on the dotted line. But when I showed them the Intro to K-Lite video their reaction was 'What the f**k? You mean you don't do the psychedelic hose-down anymore?' I guess that was a 'big drip' for them, so to speak, and they hadn't even received K yet.

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 21:21:20 (EDT)
From: Disculta
Email: None
To: Richard
Subject: Have you heard of 'Paint-ball?'
Message:

My 15-year-old stepson is in town, and he has been catching us up on the latest IT thing: Paintball. It's a kind of warzone, where you lob colored water-based paint at each other using special guns. I'm listening to him and thinking, 'oh boy, it's Holi all over again.'

Holi was okay, except that it was a bit one-sided. Now Paintball sounds like something more democratic.

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 22:31:18 (EDT)
From: Richard
Email: None
To: Disculta
Subject: Re: Have you heard of 'Paint-ball?'
Message:

Paintball has been around for about 10 years - making a comeback like capri pants I suppose. It's a war game and often a dad and son bonding thing - is JD going to go shooting with him? At least it's not guys out fearlessly killing bambi or something. With paintball everone tries to avoid getting hit while 'killing' everyone else. With holi, everyone screamed to get hit - can you say S&M (spray and Maharaji)?

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 19:35:46 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: 'YES maharaji YES ' ,,,howzat? nt
Message:

zz

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 19:06:47 (EDT)
From: hamzen
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Couple of things you missed Joe
Message:

(1) His incompetence, there he is, god incarnate, with that greatest gift, sorry free gift, in creation, and after thirty years in the west, what's he got 5, maybe ten thousand followers.
That is seriously impressive, nobody could be that incompetent even if they tried. If he'd been successful there would have been hundreds of jagdeo's, just like the catholic church

(2) His followers are hilarious, I'd forgotten what a hoot it was reading premie posts. Only people who have contorted their reality models so thoroughly over the years, while attempting to appear normal, could be so funny.

(3) But seriously, his music is very moving, and all produced from a tiny little homebuilt studio, and it's not even his main interest.

(4) He's added to my mystique amongst my mates, a couple of them saw a video of his years ago, and left bemused that I could ever have been involved with such an obvious 'used car salesman fraud'. Every so often I try to explain my involvement, great fun.

(5) But really seriously, once you've been in atruly subtle cult, it's so easy to spot propaganda, cult like thinking, and hidden keywords light up like neon signs. I owe him a lot.

(6) Also he's so obviously dodgy, he's been the main reason my daughter run's a mile from anything 'spiritual', and for that I am TRULY greatful.

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 18:21:19 (EDT)
From: Jim
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: No. 4's a little off
Message:

4. I have not heard of Maharaji committing any crimes excempt using illegal drugs, and leaving the scene of a fatal accident. Unfortunately, there is no law against falsely claiming to be God, accepting money under those false pretenses, or having sex with the very people who think you are God. Probably no laws broken there.

You've also heard of him being an accessory after the fact to the attempted murder of Pat Halley. There's also the matter of Scot Jameson's account that Gupta, who lived with us in the Ottawa ashram from some time and remains in Ottawa today, took the rap for Maharaji on a smuggling charge and did actual time for it.

One thing that I liked about the guy was his ability to enjoy being worshipped. Not everyone can do that. It's a real pleasure to see. I bet 1800 people will be drooling tonight at the prospect of seeing someone enjoy themself so.

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 18:28:02 (EDT)
From: Joe
Email: None
To: Jim
Subject: Yeah, but he was underage at the time
Message:

I think he was only 15 when the Pat Halley incident happened and maybe 14 when the smuggling thing happened. Now, I know here in the USA we can and do execute both children and the mentally retarded, but you I think we ought to give Maharaji a break on those.

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Date: Wed, Aug 01, 2001 at 08:35:49 (EDT)
From: janet
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: well if karma is tit for tat
Message:

maybe he ought to repay for pat halley and the bycyclist by getting on a bike and blindfolding himself and just cruising at breakneck speed down trancas canyon road until he sails onto PCH and trust the grace.

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 18:16:32 (EDT)
From: Dermot
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: Lol nt
Message:

xx

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Date: Tues, Jul 31, 2001 at 18:12:51 (EDT)
From: Nigel
Email: None
To: Joe
Subject: He never asked me to sleep with him..(nt)
Message:

nt

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