Date: Tues, Oct 17, 2000 at 21:55:44 (GMT) From: Joe Email: None To: Everyone Subject: Additional Questions for Michael Dettmers Message:

Hi Michael, I hope you had a good weekend. I had a great one backpacking in Yosemite -- in an area called Cathedral Lakes. We had fantastic weather, although it got pretty cold at night and we had to hike through some snow. We even saw a Mountain Lion and two bears. Fun. Sorry you got that threatening email, but I must say, I was very impressed with your response to it. I had a couple of additional things I was hoping you get your viewpoints on. Regarding the asrhams, you said: So Maharaji, in effect, threw up his hands in frustration because the financial resources were limited, and if we spent those limited resources on [the ashrams, there would be precious little money left for Maharaji to live in the style to which he had become accustomed, and to which he felt he was entitled. So the ashrams failed because the legitimate needs of the ashram premies became more of a burden than an asset to Maharaji...He expected unquestioned devotion but he never took a serious interest in the welfare of the people who had dedicated their lives to him....So, in the end, Maharaji decided that, instead of trying to create a support structure that covered all of the ashram premies, he limited that support structure to the instructors. So, it seems the conclusions that most of us have reached that Maharaji didn't give a toss about anybody but himself is supported by what you saw as well. Thanks, that's ememsely helpful, but not at all surprising. And I know that Maharaji was anything but a normal person, but to any normal person, shutting down the ashrams after having held those ashram meetings with us when he said the ashram was a life-long committment, and that no one should ever leave, etc., and that he was taking care of us, etc., would be very embarrassing. It would be an admission that one was wrong on a very fundamental issue, and such a person would feel kind of sheepish about doing this about face. Do you think Maharaji felt any of that? Was he at all embarrassed, or do you think he felt that he was somehow maybe not as perfect and all-knowing as he thought he was? By the way, did Maharaji believe he was 'all-knowing' like we sang in Arti? Did he ever talk to you about what his supposed above-human powers were? And do you think Maharaji's failure to admit or take responsbility for failures in his mission, either the ashrams, or his abysmal failure at 'spreading knowledge', especially in the West over the past 25 years, not to mention his failure to hold on to 90% of his devotees, are due to embarrassment, or just because he just doesn't see the failures? Regarding the instructors. Wasn't there also a time when Maharaji cut them loose as well, just like he did the ashram premies? Was the motivation the same as it was with the ashram residents, that they were more of a financial burden than he thought they were worth, so he just cut them loose? Was that handled any better that the ashrams were handled? For example, I have heard that Anne Johnston, a Canadian initiator whom I got to know fairly well because she often toured through Chicago when I was there, and who was one of the most fanatically devoted premies I ever met, and was notorious among the premies for that very reason, was 'fired' from being an initiator/instructor in the mid-80s, after having been an ashram premie and initiator for well over a decade. I don't think she was given any money or help with getting on her feet. Since she had no real skills, people who knew her said that she had a very hard time supporting herself, had to beg for money from other premies, but didn't go on welfare because she was afraid it would reflect negatively on Maharaji. Apparently, she remained devoted to Maharaji, despite feeling abandoned, and finally about 10 years later, a couple of years ago, Maharaji 'allowed' her to live in a trailer near 'the residence' in Malibu and walk miles to the residence, despite being in her 60s, and do his laundry for the rest of her life. And I'm sure if you asked her, she would feel incredibly privileged for the right to do so. Anyhow, was this the same basic scenario? Thanks again. Joe

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 01:17:59 (GMT) From: Michael Dettmers Email: dettmers@gylanix.com To: Joe Subject: Additional Questions for Michael Dettmers Message:

Joe, Thanks for the support you and so many others have expressed on the Forum. You ask if I think Maharaji felt embarrassed about closing the ashrams after stating repeatedly that it was a life-long commitment, or do I think he felt that he was somehow maybe not as perfect and all-knowing as he thought he was? As I said earlier, I was not party to most of the conversations about the closings of the ashrams so if he did express embarrassment, I did not witness it. But, it was my experience that Maharaji always looked for someone to blame if things went wrong. In the case of the ashrams, it was the honchos’ fault for trying to make things so complicated and expensive, and it was the ashram premies fault for not being grateful enough for the opportunity to surrender. Does Maharaji fail to admit or take responsibility for his failures because he just doesn’t see them? I’m sure he saw failures (he spent too much time complaining about this or that not to). However, those failures were never his. It was always somebody else’s fault. And as “worthless” dirt at the feet of the perfect master, we assumed that he must be right, offered our “mea culpas”, and committed to try harder in the future. You can’t imagine the amount of politicking this kind of environment produces. It is certainly not one for the faint or pure of heart. In fact, it absolutely kills the spirit. Did Maharaji believe he was 'all-knowing' like we sang in Arti? Did he ever talk to you about what his supposed above-human powers were? Maharaji never talked about his “supposed above-human powers” with me or anyone else I know about. I remember him talking to the instructors about people on a spiritual path becoming fascinated with acquiring powers (he used the word “siddies” (spelling?) but that knowledge had nothing to do with that nor, he claimed, did he. Regarding the instructors, wasn't there also a time when Maharaji cut them loose as well, just like he did the ashram premies? Was the motivation the same as it was with the ashram residents, that they were more of a financial burden than he thought they were worth, so he just cut them loose? Was that handled any better that the ashrams were handled? I remember a conversation I had with Maharaji when we were alone in his hotel suite on tour. He was, as usual, complaining about the instructors (I don’t remember about what). So I asked him, “Why do you need instructors?” It was obvious to me that not many people were receiving knowledge anywhere in the world, yet he had who knows how many instructors. More to the point, I asked him why he never gave knowledge personally. At that time, it was my opinion that he should take look at this issue instead of simply perpetuating what he had inherited from his father. I thought that if he gave knowledge personally he might actually start thinking about the whole process and who knows, like any good leader, might actually begin to innovate. Thus, I was not surprised to hear, sometime later, that that is what he did, although I do not know what he has actually done in that regard. I assume that is the reason he “cut them loose”, but I do not have any information on how that was done. I am sorry to hear your story about Anne Johnston. Anne and I moved into the ashram in Toronto on the same day in March of 1973. We both took our ‘vows” (it was a serious commitment) at the same time. I liked Anne despite her touch of fanaticism and I wish her the best.

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 15:02:05 (GMT) From: Rick Email: None To: Michael Dettmers Subject: Additional Questions for Michael Dettmers Message:

I have to say I'm stunned (in a good way) by Michael Dettmers' revelations. I think it's for several reasons. First, having someone who was so close to maharaji present a personal account that paints the guru so obviously human, puts a more final touch on understanding how we were deceived. It's true that I'd already figured out I was duped but the whole thing was so obscure. I'd worshipped an Indian teenager I'd never met, based on stories from premies, my own delusions, and a few hours of discourses from maharaji in carefully controlled settings. I actually had very little to base my worship on. Then, as the worship wore off, there was also very little to confirm I'd been duped. More stories from ex-premies whose contact with maharaji was as limited as my own. And the recognition that previous evidence of maharaji being the Lord was not only sketchy but actually provided proof that he wasn't the Lord. Dettmers' earlier unwillingness to reveal much about his involvement with maharaji came off as a sort of plaqued veneer. His exchanges were guarded, not very deep, and his portrayal of maharaji as a kind of okay guy, didn't ring true. So in contrast to that, Dettmers' posts of the last week have been startling to me. It's kind of like if your father had been a drunken child-abuser and you knew it, but mother kept denying it and pretending everything was okay. No matter how much you knew the truth, you still needed mother to come forward and admit she knew what really happened. I don't know if Dettmers realizes how much he contributed to maharaji's rise to power years ago. And I don't know if he realizes how much he's doing now to help dispel that bullshit. But in any case, I'm personally very grateful.

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 18:55:55 (GMT) From: And On Anand Ji Email: and_on_anand@yahoo.com To: _n_ Subject: Additional Questions for Michael Dettmers Message:

I don't know, Rick. I think that while it's nice to hear remarks that resonate with what is already known, the hard part is done by the listener: letting it in, validating it internally, and then acting on it. This site -- this group of people -- is doing more for M. Dettmers, for you, for me, than we are doing for it. I can't say that this late in the game, I feel especially validated by anything Mr. Dettmers has said. I'd like to hear from Bill Patterson, Barbara Kolodney, Brian McDermott, Joe Anctil, Arthur Brigham, Charnanandji, Jagdeo, Devki Bai and all the rest; but I would equally like to hear from a whole shopping list of local premies who done me plenty of dirt, including some with no notoriety whatsoever. Fwiw, sounds to me like Maharaji was running the same scam on Mr. Dettmers he was running on the rest of us, so no real insights there (which is, of course, an insight in itself! :) I'd by lying if I didn't admit I tracked the thread his writings here engendered; it was more interesting reading than some of the off-topic stuph that gets posted here; and had a content length to make it worth retrieving from the slow messaging db interface. EVERYONE IS LOOKING for something they cannot have, which is a sure thing. A sure sense of closure; a sure validation. I think the best we can do as individuals is adopt a point of view that seems to be somewhat shared by people we can find agreeable. As I get older, though, that adopted perspective seems more and more temporal and situational. It's like those guys beating the clubs in the grandstands in Planet of the Apes. Wuu. Wuu. Wuu. Wuu. I don't believe my dreams. I don't believe my eyes. I don't believe your dreams. I don't believe your eyes. Every time I get sick, I blame ten things; every once in a while I find a way to stop illness from spreading, or at least a technique that accidentally (as a side- effect of doing the technique) stops the spreading of disease, illness, and suffering in my personal cubic feet of space. For a while. For instance, I spent over a year with a really nasty and persistent skin rash (raw skin) on the middle of my left arm. It was so frustrating. I would gain and lose ground trying to make it go away. One day I had a conversation with a friend's wife (who was a nurse) and we decided together to treat it as a rash and an allergy to metal -- I had been wearing suspenders with a metal clasp on them for the same period the rash persisted in. I stopped wearing the suspenders, and three weeks later, the rash went completely away, never to return (in several months since). Finding it myself, reaching out to a friend with some experience -- but fully taking personal responsibility for understanding the root cause -- was invaluable to me; but I can hardly beat club and wu wu say I got the drop on skin rashes. All I can say is ok, I have exactly one data point to graph I didn't have before. IN SUMMARY, I'm not easily stunned. M. Dettmers posted! Oooh! Ahh! I don't subscribe to that. That's not a criticism of anyone here, but it is a criticism of the very idea of it; the cult of personalities was always more than a little offensive in DLM, and the people who were 'in' have a lot to answer for, irrespective of being duped by cult leader(s). And I mean that when I say that the local muckety-muck did me more harm than Mr. Dettmers could have, even in legacy. I guess there's more but I've borrowed enough of your time for the moment. Thanks for listening. -AOA Ji (and_on_anand@yahoo.com) Thu Oct 19 14:57:31 EDT 2000

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Date: Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 00:38:56 (GMT) From: Rick Email: None To: And On Anand Ji Subject: Additional Questions for Michael Dettmers Message:

I agree with you about the local premies causing alot of psychological damage and I was also repulsed by the mucky-mucks. That part was easier to resolve than the guru is god issue. I was impressed by Dettmers' posts because he had first-hand contact with maharaji over a long period of time. That's something we didn't have when we began believing maharaji was the Lord and it's something we didn't have when we stopped believing it. Having close contact with anyone for an extended period will tell you more about them than anything else. In my case, the belief that maharaji was God went so deep that there are still little shreds of guru shrapnel stuck in my skin. I can say 'Fuck the stupid little Guru' in one breath, but I'd probably react like he was God if I bumped into him on the street. It's probably because such a deliberate programming campaign took place over a long period of time. Without any actual contact with maharaji to dispel my delusion that he was divine, I was able to craft a huge fantasy out of my imagination. Dettmers' probably couldn't do that because he was exposed to maharaji long enough to have a real image. So when I read Dettmers' account, I was actually startled and thought, 'maharaji really isn't God'. Now I know that's insanely dumb but there's nothing like being really convinced for a moment. Most of the time, this whole guru/devotee thing was something that never really took place. It was like Santa Claus or Snow White. Once a kid sees three different Santa Claus' at the same shopping mall, or sees Santa change into his street clothes, it's all over. That's sort of what this was like to me, except there's still some shrapnel left in there.

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Date: Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 03:56:57 (GMT) From: Scott T. Email: None To: Rick Subject: I agree. Got me thinking. Message:

Rick: Had to read the post with all these testemonials, and the 'Guru Shrapnel' that really got me. I recall experiencing satsang for the first time and starting to build this idealized image of Maharaji. But here's the thing. It was as though I needed to believe in something, perhaps within myself, that was just a lot simpler and a lot more innocent than everyday life. It started with 'just maybe' and progressed. But I was never a very good devotee, because the reality was never quite as good as the fantasy... so I had this uneasy feeling that something was not quite right somewhere. It was as though the best I ever felt about Maharaji was when I attended some of those satsangs in New Hampshire at least six months before I ever received Knowledge. So what's the point? Well, it wasn't really Maharaji that I 'found' was it? Thick as a brick. --Scott

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Date: Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 16:47:10 (GMT) From: Rick Email: None To: Scott T. Subject: I agree. Got me thinking. Message:

Yes, the best I ever felt about maharaji was also before I got knowldege OR even heard satsang. Just the thought of all the bliss goodies had me ready to worship.

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Date: Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 02:03:37 (GMT) From: a0aji Email: None To: Rick Subject: Additional Questions for Michael Dettmers Message:

It is gratifying to see anyone turn the corner; the sweet thing here is Mr. Dettmers is known to so many, so it isn't just some schmo figuring out what a life-suck DLM and GMJ was. When I was a kid, and I wasn't sidetracked into someone else's agenda for a few days, I'd usually find myself investigating something deeply scientific, like astronomy, geology, the weather and atmosphere -- and biology. When I was in DLM, reading a book -- any book -- was frowned upon. That's not their opening pitch though, when they first tell you about the gooroo. They don't say, 'Yes, and if you join now, you can stop reading immediately, because that is mindsang!' That's not the come-on. So when you realize the platform is deception, the house of cards falls. Who knows why the first time this is noticed, it is set aside by the Aspirant. Maybe because they get a title: Aspirant. I dunno.

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Date: Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 00:54:14 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Rick Subject: Great posts, both you guys (nt) Message:

fffff

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 19:15:34 (GMT) From: AOA Ji Email: None To: FA Subject: FA: Post did not display and is empty of text Message:

http://www.ex-premie.org/forum5/main.cgi?key=0TR0 This post has no text or author displayed here. Is it lost? -AOA Ji

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 22:59:26 (GMT) From: AOA Ji Email: None To: FA Subject: re: FA: Post did not display and is empty of text Message:

Nice job. Thanks.

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 15:30:13 (GMT) From: Susan Email: None To: Rick Subject: good post Rick Message:

I too, wonder why it matters to me so much to hear these things, all these years later. But it does give me a sense of resolution and validation. I certainly am not plagued with doubts about whether it was a cult and he was a cult leader, that much is obvious. But, how much of the deception was purposeful? how much was self deception on the guru's part? What were the dynamics behind the cult? How were decisions made that effected so many lives? Did the guru care at all about the premies? This was such a pivotal time of my life that of course I am very interested in Michael's, or anyone's insights from behind the residence doors. I certainly do not want to minimize the help I have found in reading the stories of the average premies like myself. This too, has been very enlightening and healing for me. But so few former 'PAMs' have spoken out in a public way, and there are so many people with unresolved questions about this time in their lives. I am really glad Michael has decided to say more, because it is such a healing thing he can do for so many people. I always felt it was his decision because he has to deal with the consequences, but I am glad he is saying what he is, and having talked to him I think he cares very much about his fellow former premies and will feel good about how helpful this is.

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 17:22:59 (GMT) From: Joe Email: None To: Susan Subject: good post Rick -- I agree Message:

I think you're saying what a lot of us are feeling. Thanks.

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Date: Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 10:19:38 (GMT) From: CHR Email: None To: everyone Subject: Even more questions for Michael Dettmers Message:

Hi Michael I have been impressed with your integrity in the way you have responded to questions and assertions here. I have a few questions that are more personal curiosities than anything. I spent some time in the late 70s and early 80s around Maharaji - some residence security, backstage security, airport and coordination of security at a few programs. Although I never had any real personal involvement with him( he spoke to me maybe 3 times) I was able to observe things that at the time were confusing and confronting. I am curious as to whether my picture matches yours. I found M unpredictable and moody- he could be funny one day, dark and irritable the next. He could be tenderly playing kites with Hansi in the morning and yelling at someone in the afternoon. At the time I thought he was simply confronting our 'minds'. I saw him drunk a couple of times. In hindsight he seems like a spoilt little rich kid, probably more deluded than concsiously fraudulent. The people I saw and knew who were at his beck and call seemed permanently exhausted. Some initiators who were close friends confided that they had been incredibly lonely and the closer they got to M, the more confronting life became. When I look back it seems to me that they were quite unhappy. It was all rationalised, of course. One residence security person I know served and lived at one of M's residences for 9 years. M hardly spoke to him or acknowledged him during this time. He was hurt and confronted but blamed himself. I myself had moved into the ashram in 1973 at the age of 20, and except for 1976, stayed there until they closed. At least half of this time involved full time service. Within a year of the ashrams closing, I was married. I had little or no understanding of what it meant to be in a marriage, little awareneness of anothers needs. Somehow I'm still married but its taken a huge learning curve. I have friends who were in M's fulltime service from 1972 to 1985. They went from community Coordinators to initiators and were left with nothing except middle age and a deep sense of betrayal. Did Maharaji have any awareness of these things or did he simply see these people as going down the wrong track and not having faith in him? Was he aware of the exhaustion suffered by those around him? You may correct me, but my observation was that many didn't have time to sleep properly, let alone meditate. Thanks, Chris.

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 01:35:53 (GMT) From: Michael Dettmers Email: dettmers@gylanix.com To: CHR Subject: Even more questions for Michael Dettmers Message:

Chris, I think your observations and assessments are right on the money. I have been giving considerable thought to the question about Maharaji's awareness, or lack thereof, of the consequences of his actions, and his ability or willingness to be accountable and responsible for his actions. I will write on this topic soon but, for the next two days I am traveling and don't have the time at this moment. Michael

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 03:51:35 (GMT) From: bill Email: None To: Michael Dettmers Subject: What a remarkable turn of events..nt Message:

sdfhs

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Date: Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 15:05:19 (GMT) From: Jethro Email: None To: CHR Subject: Sleeping in a cupboard Message:

'Was he aware of the exhaustion suffered by those around him?' My 2nd ex-wife was a house mother in his London residence(Woodside) circa 72-73. She was given a cupboard to sleep in; that is when she was allowed to sleep. I kid you not.

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Date: Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 21:35:25 (GMT) From: Joy Email: None To: Jethro Subject: Sleeping in Closets Message:

Hey, I slept in a closet as well, in my final ashram in San Francisco in 1980. It was pure luxury. It was the first time I'd had my own 'room' in about 8 years' ashram time. Sleeping four and six and up to ten to a room got pretty tedious after a few years and the rather spacious closet was my own little universe. The next step, of course, was moving out, a process helped along immensely by our own Joe, as a lot of you know. He really was a good friend to me during that transitional time. P.S. Hi Joe, been enjoying your exchanges with Michael Dettmers. I don't imagine he'd remember me from the typesetting room at IHQ, but I do remember him as one of the 6th floor bigwigs who didn't attend satsang as much as us commoners and seemed rather mysterious. I appreciate his being able to come forward here and speak the 'truth' about M and all the goings on. And I can't believe that story about Anne Johnson, what a sad, sad tale. I remember her well from my ashram days and was quite fond of her (and vice versa), surprisingly.

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 15:10:14 (GMT) From: Disculta Email: None To: Joy Subject: Luxury! Message:

Remember that Monty Python skit where they vie with each other for how poor they werew growing up... 'Luxury, we didn't even have beds, we slept in the street....' Anyway, LUXURY! We didn't even have beds. I slept on the floor in a sleeping bag for most of my six ashram years. My husband still asks me 'You mean you didn't even have foam mats?' No foam mats. When I arrived in Denver the ashrams seemed like a kind of millionaire's palace. Hey Joy! You comin' ova?

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 20:24:30 (GMT) From: Joy Email: joyfenwick@onetel.net.uk To: Disculta Subject: Luxury! Message:

Hi Disculta, Well, you win the Monty Python contest hands down. The low point for me was when I went to the Peace Plant in Houston before the Astrodome thingy and it was hot and humid, something I'd never experienced before, and they gave me a raw foam mat on bare concrete floor, no bedding of any type. Just couldn't hack that and ended up crashing on a friend's hotel room floor, at least it had a carpet. Do I know you Disculta? E-mail me and I'll let you know whether or not I'm comin ova! Love, Joy

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Date: Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 00:08:21 (GMT) From: Jim Email: None To: Joy Subject: Luxury! Message:

How about this. When I first moved into the ashram (Vancouver, a month before Millenium) Leon Hawrylenko, Kevin Smith and I all slept in this tiny little office. We'd pull these carpet samples Leon got from work out of the closet and lay them down under the telex. Just enough room for the three of our sleeping bags. Kevin was flatulent.

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Date: Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 04:42:55 (GMT) From: Scott T. Email: None To: Jim Subject: Luxury! Message:

When I was hitching around during the 60s I once stayed on an old ferry called 'Gate 6' in Sausilito. The boat was inhabited by some famous rock band, who played late into the night, but I was too out of it to know who they were. Might have been Peanut Butter Conspiracy. Anyway, I slept in a box of old clothes (or possibly laundry) they called the 'magic box.' Later I stayed in an old army barracks in Berkeley (around the time of the riots, since tear gas was everywhere) and slept directly on the springs of the bed. To this day I have no idea why I did that. I'd have been much better off on the floor. Maybe there were bugs or something. God I was nuts! --Scott

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 17:36:53 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: Disculta + Jethro's lady Subject: Too right! Imagine - a cupboard! Such privacy, you Message:

lucky bastard ...

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Date: Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 17:54:58 (GMT) From: cq Email: None To: the WORLD (copyright...) Subject: lucky bastards can read the original script here Message:

http://www.montypython.net/scripts/4york.htm 'But you try an' tell't young people that today ... and they won't believe tha ...'

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Date: Wed, Oct 18, 2000 at 22:12:43 (GMT) From: Joe Email: None To: Joy Subject: Hi Joy Message:

When I saw the post about sleeping in the cupboard, I immediately thought of you and your being 'in the closet.' So great to hear from you. Everyone should know that Joy was also a great help to me in leaving the cult. Joy and I went to see just about every French film (and I think German too, lots of Fastbinder), that came to San Francisco, and that was a whole lot of them. It was a great antidote to the ashram and the cult. I'm still planning on a visit. My significant other and I want to do some kind of a 'walking tour' through Britain. He is planning it, so we shall see. Sounds kind of cool, though. I'll also email you about next month. It's kind of a full month for me, but maybe we can squeeze something in. All the best, and just be glad you don't have to be here for this abysmal election season.

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Date: Sat, Oct 21, 2000 at 00:15:39 (GMT) From: DiscultA Email: None To: Joe Subject: Hi Joy Message:

I was in the shram with Joy in Denver. I remember one night she went to a 'Who' concert. She came back totally blissed out raving about the 'oneness' everyone had experienced, and actually said that it was as good as a MJ program. I remember being a bit disconcerted and a bit ruffled by this, and I think it was one of my 'drips.'

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 04:20:26 (GMT) From: G Email: None To: Joe Subject: Anne Johnston Message:

... Anne Johnston, a Canadian initiator ... Apparently, she remained devoted to Maharaji, despite feeling abandoned, and finally about 10 years later, a couple of years ago, Maharaji 'allowed' her to live in a trailer near 'the residence' in Malibu and walk miles to the residence, despite being in her 60s, and do his laundry for the rest of her life. And I'm sure if you asked her, she would feel incredibly privileged for the right to do so. There is an Anne Johnston (same one?) who is listed (at www.anywho.com) as living at 31516 Anacapa View Drive, Malibu, CA. Maharaji's address is 31334 Anacapa View Drive. Result from a driving directions query at www.mapquest.com, going from 31516 to 31334 Anacapa View Drive: Directions: 1: Start out going Northeast on ANACAPA VIEW DR towards RAMBLA DEL ORTO DR by turning right. Distance: 0.3 miles Results of a property search on 31516 Anacapa View Drive at www.knowx.com: Name: HARNICK,SHELDON & MARGERY Property Address: 31516 ANACAPA VIEW DR MALIBU CA 90265 Year Built: 1980 Percent Improved: 73.06% Number of Rooms: 14 Number of Baths: 2.5 Number of Bedrooms: 3 Heating/Cooling: HEATING SYSTEM Fireplace: FIREPLACE IN PROPERTY View: PROPERTY HAS A VIEW Total Square Feet: 3,207 Zoning: LCA1 Legal Description: *LAND DESC IN DOC 0989260,900604*TR= LAND OF M Lot Size (square feet or acreage): 85,813 Assessor's Parcel Number: 4470007008 Assessed Value: $465,398 Tax Amount: $5,142.84 Home Owner Exemption: HOME OWNER EXEMPTION Last Sale Document Number: 0001353410 Last Sale Date: 07-21-1999 Last Sale Amount: $948,000 Last Sale Transaction: F

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Date: Thurs, Oct 19, 2000 at 18:03:49 (GMT) From: Joe Email: None To: G Subject: That might be her Message:

But I don't know for sure. It was Gail, who was a personal friend of Anne in Canada during the time she was struggling to survive financially, that filled us in on all these details. It might be that Anne is no longer living in a trailer, maybe she is living in some kind of a support house for 'the residence,' I don't know. But originally, she was living in a trailer, doing Maharaji's laundry, and having to walk quite a distance. Being that Malibu is full of millionaires, they don't have a very good public transit system, I guess, and I'm sure Anne couldn't even afford a car.

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Date: Fri, Oct 20, 2000 at 05:54:15 (GMT) From: Scott T. Email: None To: Joe Subject: That might be her Message:

Joe: But originally, she was living in a trailer, doing Maharaji's laundry, and having to walk quite a distance. Being that Malibu is full of millionaires, they don't have a very good public transit system, I guess, and I'm sure Anne couldn't even afford a car. A bike would work well in that situation, or a trike if she were balance-challenged or just didn't want to put a foot down at the light. --Scott

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